Tirreno - Adriatico 2016 09/03/16 - 15/03/16 2.UWT

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Vegni just announced that tomorrow's stage will be cancelled because of the weather and there is no alternative.

surprised that there was no alternative route planned

I mean 'there is no alternative' because the snow makes the alternatives impossible - according to Vegni

I understand that. But I was thinking in terms of the alternative being flattest route possible to the final climb and finishing as high up as the road conditions/space allows.

But I suppose getting other roads closed on short notice is quite difficult.

 

[Carols]

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This guy is in charge of the Giro right? Bad weather this Giro and Dumoulin might win it

Even Cancellara.

Well if Cancellara wins that surely will dismiss any claims that Boonen was his equal

 

[roundabout]

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This is ridiculous.....

Why couldn't they do at least the MTF?

Because there is no way to get there.
Snow is affecting the whole area. It's a mountainous area, so whichever course they chose, they would be facing snow anyway.
I'm pretty sure that if the issue had been only with the final climb, the stage would have gone ahead, probably setting up a finish line a few kms before the original one.

If one follows the blue line on the map I think it would be below the snow line

http://www.tirrenoadriatico.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/T05_MSVicino_plan.jpg

 

[Miburo]

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This isn't normal Vegni. He doesn't normally do this. I mean, in 2013 the roads were actually impassable and I understand how some of these stages had to be cancelled, but Terminillo last year had snow and this is an uphill finish, snow is only going to be on the highest slopes. A flat stage with the MTF will be OK for me.

Vegni said snow level will be at 800 metres+ so looks like it would affect other climbs on the stage too..

Exactly. Low flat until MTF.

How do you go low flat if there are mountains all around the place?
Do you really think they wouldn't choose such a solution if that was duable?
No stage means money loss. And means that there was no way around the issue, unfortunately.

 

[Eshnar]

People nationalities are irrelevant. Remember that before I have to ban somebody as I should.

 

[Miburo]

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People nationalities are irrelevant. Remember that before I have to ban somebody as I should.

As an italian i though i would find sympathy with you about the french

 

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This is ridiculous.....

Why couldn't they do at least the MTF?

Because there is no way to get there.
Snow is affecting the whole area. It's a mountainous area, so whichever course they chose, they would be facing snow anyway.
I'm pretty sure that if the issue had been only with the final climb, the stage would have gone ahead, probably setting up a finish line a few kms before the original one.

If one follows the blue line on the map I think it would be below the snow line

http://www.tirrenoadriatico.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/T05_MSVicino_plan.jpg

Maybe. I'm just reporting what the organizers said. I didn't personally check for possible alternatives

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

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Maybe. I'm just reporting what the organizers said. I didn't personally check for possible alternatives

Getting roads closed on a short notice so they could follow that route is probably not possible. But still, they could probably get some local circuit in the valley and then go up Monte San Vicino or something. Heck they could start as Castelraimondo and have a 20km stage for all I care. Better than cancelling the only serious obstacle in your route.

Martin and Canc probably pissed right now that they didn't try to limit their losses in the Pomerance stage......

 

[Arredondo]

What a horrible Tirreno. Worst edition i ever saw.

 

[May0maniac]

This is exactly the reason why a race like Tirreno doesn't need real high mountain stages, just give us 1 or 2 brutal hilly stages like in 2013.
Nobody needs the shitty EWP, just use a little bit of common sense (descents on snowy roads can be dangerous but a MTF like in 2015 is totally fine, they riders just have to dress up properly and the organisers should be generous with the time limit for the grupetto).

 

[Pricey_sky]

This extreme weather protocol is going to ruin a lot of races. No Plan B, just cancel the stage and quote safety regs ect.

 

[Vroome.exe]

Ok we all must agree that the worst scenario would be Sagan winning a Tirreno

 

[Eshnar]

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Ok we all must agree that the worst scenario would be Sagan winning a Tirreno

The worst scenario has already happened. Who cares who's gonna win this joke of a race tbh.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Ok we all must agree that the worst scenario would be Sagan winning a Tirreno

I would like it actually. Tirreno was never a race for the real climbers out there anyway, hence guys like Cancellara, Freire and Bettini winning the overall. I don't get why they wanted to be some sort of mini-Giro, as it's mostly used as preparation for San Remo.

 

[rainman]

Although the weather seemed ok today it was bad enough to intefere with TV broadcasting. Maybe if its worse tomorow ASO are saving money by grounding aircraft and crew and no doubt a host of other expenses. Its possible that riders well being and race tradition are the least of their concerns, except in the event of liability if there was a bad crash. Just speculating but they seem to be hard headed business men whose only consideration is their profit margins.

 

[Mr.White]

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Gaviria not that great today. Maybe Milano Sanremo is a step too far right now.

Gaviria was holding his own in the main peloton until Cancellara went berserk. Finishing in the 2nd group as the only sprinter ain't that bad.

I know that you are biased but

62MODOLOSachaLampre - Merida ,,
63GAVIRIAFernandoEtixx - Quick Step ,,

I was referring to the main sprinters out there, e.g: Ewan, Cavendish, etc. Or you must think Modolo is one of the top sprinters in the field, and a possible threat for MSR, which I certainly don't agree on.

So Ewan is a top sprinter and a possible threat for MSR?! Well he ain't gonna finish that race if you ask me, and he's no better sprinter than Modolo, yet! By the way Modolo finished 4th at MSR

 

[RedheadDane]

It's a shame the stage is cancelled. But at least they are smart enough to do it before the start, rather than having the riders ride about 100km and then stop.

 

[May0maniac]

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This extreme weather protocol is going to ruin a lot of races. No Plan B, just cancel the stage and quote safety regs ect.

Riders and teams who complain about totally raceable stages, like the Terminillo MTF deserve to get some heat on social media.
We need clear rules or a few crybabies will always try to get a MTF with bad weather cancelled, having a MTF durning a snowstorm is ok and nothing dangerous that would put the rider's health at risk, descents on snowy roads are dangerous, the riders have the right to complain about those and everyone understands if they get cancelled.

 

[luckyboy]

Pinot loves the decision, clearly

Pas de panique les grimpeurs... On aura notre bataille avec une très belle arrivée en bosse lundi... Merci #Tirreno

Don't worry climbers... We will have our battle on the beautiful 'bump' finish on Monday... Thanks #Tirreno

https://twitter.com/ThibautPinot/status/708728062670671872

 

[RedheadDane]

I don't see how the EWP would cause more races to be cancelled. Isn't the point of it to basically formalise ways of finding alternative solutions? Take the ITT at Tour of California last year; they couldn't ride at the original location of Lake Tahoe (that's what it was, right?) so it was moved down to the "lowland". Also, wasn't stage 1 of T-A last year changed from a TTT to a ITT due to the wind?
Unfortunately, as these two recent examples show, sometimes it's just really hard to come up with an alternative solution on the fly, but of course the EWP is in its earliest stages, so it still requires a lot of work to be perfect. Or at least as perfect as it can b.

 

[May0maniac]

He even retweeted an Astana tweet:
"We ask, at least, to change the Monday stage finish to an uphill finish..." Alexandre Vinokourov
https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/708729267161534464

 

[argyllflyer]

Lefevere likes it:

"This is an important step for cycling, because it's probably for the first time in the history of this sport that such a wise decision is taken before the start of a race, a decision which came as an agreement between all the stakeholders. I would also like to underline the courage of the race organizers who have agreed to cancel such an important stage and put the riders' safety first, ahead of any interest. Tirreno-Adriatico definitely sets an example for the future."

 

[Samamba]

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Lefevere likes it:

"This is an important step for cycling, because it's probably for the first time in the history of this sport that such a wise decision is taken before the start of a race, a decision which came as an agreement between all the stakeholders. I would also like to underline the courage of the race organizers who have agreed to cancel such an important stage and put the riders' safety first, ahead of any interest. Tirreno-Adriatico definitely sets an example for the future."

Ofcourse he likes it. They're just giving his team WT points and maybe even the win. I would be happy too.

 

[Tonton]

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He even retweeted an Astana tweet:
"We ask, at least, to change the Monday stage finish to an uphill finish..." Alexandre Vinokourov
https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/708729267161534464

I would guess that tibopino wasn't too excited at the prospect of snowy downhills and he wouldn't mind if the Vino option ( ) prevailed. His tweet is quite weird tho': the Monday finish is no more than a false flat. Or does he think that he can make up his 18 secs in the ITT while holding off Nibbles and Piti?