Tirreno - Adriatico 2021, March 10 - March 16

[RedheadDane]

Ah, my bad, thought it was spoilers on the particular race the thread was dedicated to, which I have no problem with.

I don't think anyone has. I think if you go to a specific race thread you should expect to see discussions about that particular race. Or even if you go to the "Lesser Known Race Results" thread you should expect to see discussions about any lesser races, that do not have a dedicated thread.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If you haven't watched a race yet and want to do it later, don't visit the forum...

That is ridiculous. If I am watching race A, I will follow the thread of race A while I am watching it. If people are not doing that, then there will never be live comments in a race thread.

Why should the existence of a simultaneous race that I want to watch (with a sense of anticipation) later make that an unreasonable expectation?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We're not talking about Discussing Race [X] in the Race [X] thread, but Discussing/revealing the result of Race [Y] in the Race [X] thread.

Yeah, i don't think i'm a common offender here, but i'm sorry, i'm not going to go out of my way and check if my post isn't containing any possible spoilers. I ('ll) try to post on-topic as much as possible, but when DQT or TJV win another double, say for the 5th time this year, i'll post it because it's relevant to both races. Or if race tactics in both races are similar or exact the opposite... basically if it makes sense to talk about the other race.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah, i don't think i'm a common offender here, but i'm sorry, i'm not going to go out of my way and check if my post isn't containing any possible spoilers. I ('ll) try to post on-topic as much as possible, but when DQT or TJV win another double, say for the 5th time this year, i'll post it because it's relevant to both races. Or if race tactics in both races are similar or exact the opposite... basically if it makes sense to talk about the other race.

But you can post "another double for [team]" without posting who did the particular winning.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

But you can post "another double for [team]" without posting who did the particular winning.

Sure, and i can also not post anything or not visit the forum. But i'm not going to. In your particular example, if it is again the same two riders (Roglic/van Aert) it's again relevant.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Yeah, i don't think i'm a common offender here, but i'm sorry, i'm not going to go out of my way and check if my post isn't containing any possible spoilers. I ('ll) try to post on-topic as much as possible, but when DQT or TJV win another double, say for the 5th time this year, i'll post it because it's relevant to both races. Or if race tactics in both races are similar or exact the opposite... basically if it makes sense to talk about the other race.

But people who know both results already know that the team did a double, and those that only know one result have their enjoyment spoiled by such a comment. Who are you benefiting by saying that? And if your comment is not benefiting those who would read it, what is the point of it?

The forum has an easily used spoiler hiding tool: Is there any possible reason other than laziness or arrogant self-importance about one's contribution for not using it if discussing race B in the thread of race A within a few hours of race B finishing?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

But people who know both results already know that the team did a double, and those that only know one result have their enjoyment spoiled by such a comment. Who are you benefiting by saying that? And if your comment is not benefiting those who would read it, what is the point of it?

The forum has an easily used spoiler hiding tool: Is there any possible reason other than laziness or arrogant self-importance about one's contribution for not using it if discussing race B in the thread of race A within a few hours of race B finishing?

Self-importance? So everybody who's following the race live, has to tip-toe around what is happening, in order not to spoil the fun for those who aren't watching live? Talk about self-importance. Again, i don't think i'm a regular offender, but i'm not going to go out of my way and double check, rethink if i might have posted something that might possibly spoil something.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

But you can post "another double for [team]" without posting who did the particular winning.

If someone does that they are essentially admitting that they are knowingly posting a spoiler. And if you know that you are posting a spoiler, hide it.


And hopefully others will learnfrom that good example and refrain from disclosing the info by not quoting it without spoiler tools.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

We could also agree on inserting the name of Chris Harper, when we don't want to spoil a race. Everyone who has seeen it, would know who was meant to be referenced, and those who hadn't could wait in exitement to see, if it was actually Harper this time.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

We could also agree on inserting the name of Chris Harper, when we don't want to spoil a race. Everyone who has seeen it, would know who was meant to be referenced, and those who hadn't could wait in exitement to see, if it was actually Harper this time.

Basically Chris Harper wins every race.

 

[ice&fire]

What's the statute of limitations for spoilers?

 

[Bonimenier]

Chris Harper doing good work in TA, but Chris Harper just got dropped in PN.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Self-importance? So everybody who's following the race live, has to tip-toe around what is happening, in order not to spoil the fun for those who aren't watching live?

No, that is categorically not what I am saying. I am talking about revealing info about race B in the thread for race A.

If someone wants to treat the others on the forum with some respect, they will not want to spoil their fun. If they don't have respect for others, they shouldn't be here at all.

I understand that accidents and oversights might happen (and RH's immediate apology when it happened the other day is acknowledged and appreciated), but if the principle is established and largely adhered to, and others suggest an edit when it does happpen, then we have a better forum: is that not a desirable goal?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Chris Harper doing good work in TA, but Chris Harper just got dropped in PN.

It's always the same with Chris Harper. You either love him or you hate him.

 

[ice&fire]

It's always the same with Chris Harper. You either love him or you hate him.

Chris Harper deserves his own thread

 

[RedheadDane]

What's the statute of limitations for spoilers?

I'd say that if you haven't watched the race - either live or delayed - by the time the day (local time) is over, then it's too bad.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

No, that is categorically not what I am saying. I am talking about revealing info about race B in the thread for race A.

If someone wants to treat the others on the forum with some respect, they will not want to spoil their fun. If they don't have respect for others, they shouldn't be here at all.

I understand that accidents and oversights might happen (and RH's immediate apology when it happened the other day is acknowledged and appreciated), but if the principle is established and largely adhered to, and others suggest an edit when it does happpen, then we have a better forum: is that not a desirable goal?

If i happen to think about it, i'll try to make it work. If i don't, sue me.

 

[RedheadDane]

And if I post the result of P-N here (or a similiar situation) there's also a distinct possibility that I simply forgot which race I'm watching and/or which thread I'm in.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Chris Harper deserves his own thread

If he ends up in every other thread, I don't think he needs one.

 

[hayneplane]

It should be common courtesy when two major races are going on not to make overt references to events in the second race when in the first races dedicated race thread.

It should be borne in mind that many people will be at work and not able to watch the majority of stage races live.

I don’t think it requires unreasonable restraint to wait until late evening to make wider context posts that compare events in both races.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Spoiler

Paris-Nice
I really thought Chris Harper had it there, but Chris Harper really surprised me with that fast sprint coming from behind the wheel of Chris Harper. Chris Harper wasn't as good as expected though. Chris Harper did alright, it wasn't his kind of finish.

 

[tobydawq]

What's the statute of limitations for spoilers?

Ten years.

 

[tobydawq]

It should be common courtesy when two major races are going on not to make overt references to events in the second race when in the first races dedicated race thread.

It should be borne in mind that many people will be at work and not able to watch the majority of stage races live.

I don’t think it requires unreasonable restraint to wait until late evening to make wider context posts that compare events in both races.

And I don't think it requires unreasonable restraint to freaking wait entering the forum until you're caught up!

I mean, I would never dream of going into the forum if I was planning on catching a race later.

I mean, in an ideal world, sure, we could all be more careful, but are we now going to start banning people who haven't read this particular discussion if they were to mistake one thread for the other or allude to something happening in a different race? Which would happen all the time, and is exactly why I just choose not to enter the forum in such a case...

 

[yaco]

As a general principle it's best not to discuss other race results in a dedicated race thread - Especially when you have two races simultaneously running.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If i happen to think about it, i'll try to make it work. If i don't, sue me.

Hyperbole like that doesn't help anything. Maybe all of us should try to resolve to make it work, rather than see whether we happen to think of it.

And if, when, a contributor doesn't remember, then others might suggest that they edit of spoilerise their comment. If that is unreasonable, please explain why.

And if I post the result of P-N here (or a similiar situation) there's also a distinct possibility that I simply forgot which race I'm watching and/or which thread I'm in.

Absolutely. No-one is suggesting a witch hunt. Accidents happen, and a convention among users that it is OK to point out to someone what they have done and suggest an edit should be the type of community we would want to build.