Tirreno - Adriatico 2021, March 10 - March 16

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Sagan will need time to recover from covid. He isn't doing too badly in the easy stages. It's just that he's nowhere near classics shape. Maybe with the extra races he can still come in form but my guess is it will be too late for the classics.

 

[Red Rick]

Sagan will need time to recover from covid. He isn't doing too badly in the easy stages. It's just that he's nowhere near classics shape. Maybe with the extra races he can still come in form but my guess is it will be too late for the classics.

Yeah.

And right when the classics needed him most. He vanished

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

Pogacar rode Van Aert out of his wheel with about 18 to go. A bit silly to barge in and tell us all what's what when you only watched the final 1.2 kms of a stage with action from 65 kilometres out.

Reading comprehension is not your forte. I saw the race live on television. Pogacar was uphill stronger than Van Aert, just as the dag before. And Pogacar is the deserved leader in the race. What I wrote and what I meant, is that Van Aert would have won, if the race had lasted 5 km longer. This is due to his resistance to long efforts and to cold and rain.

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

I am very curious on Pogacar's performance. I know it is flat and short but he impressed me yesterday by distancing Wout on such a course. He will not beat Ganna but I wouldn't be surprised if he can keep up with WvA. That alone is scary enough.

I am very curious on Pogacar's performance. I know it is flat and short but he impressed me yesterday by distancing Wout on such a course. He will not beat Ganna but I wouldn't be surprised if he can keep up with WvA. That alone is scary enough.

On such a course ? The course was Pogacar-like and not Van Aert-like. A course similar with Liège-Bastogne-Liège or even Lombardia. Van Aert is a classic cobble rider, but with his talent and if training on climbing and losing weight, could play his role later in climbing classics. Even in grand tours. But at the moment, Pogacar has the advantage on those courses. But Van Aert is closing the gap on those courses. In reverse, I don't think Pogacar ever gonna play an important role in Flanders or Roubaix.
But I agree with you that in the TT it will be very close, also because the time trial is very short. A slight advantage for Van Aert versus Pogacar. And Ganna for an easy win. I think Ganna wille dominate time trial for a long time (when it comes to fairly flat courses). Even Evenepoel, who beats Ganna twice in 2019, will not be able to beat him, once recovered from his terrible accident in august. Ganna is such a beast (1,93 m)

 

[Zoef-Lightning]

He is 31 and had covid a month ago. Get a grip.

There is more to it. He has been performing below his level for three years now. And he was 28 years old at that moment. And he is clearly overweighted since a few years. Since becoming the highest paid rider in the peloton, he has been performing well below his level. Not training enough and properly (in winter) and eating to much.

 

[tobydawq]

Reading comprehension is not your forte. I saw the race live on television. Pogacar was uphill stronger than Van Aert, just as the dag before. And Pogacar is the deserved leader in the race. What I wrote and what I meant, is that Van Aert would have won, if the race had lasted 5 km longer. This is due to his resistance to long efforts and to cold and rain.

I comprehend written texts perfectly fine, thank you. If you want to convey the fact that you watched the entire stage on television it could be advantageous not to say that you watched the final 1.2 kms on Steephill. Or maybe you wrote it in the imperative purposefully? It certainly didn't read that way, especially as you wrote that you "guessed" that Pogacar's gap to Wout had been even larger than 49 seconds when that had never been the case.

And Pogacar is not resistant to cold and rain?

 

[Red Rick]

Poggers looked the freshest at the finish and didn't look like losing time at all before the final 1km. IMO he was just learning Roglic' lesson

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Reading comprehension is not your forte. I saw the race live on television. Pogacar was uphill stronger than Van Aert, just as the dag before. And Pogacar is the deserved leader in the race. What I wrote and what I meant, is that Van Aert would have won, if the race had lasted 5 km longer. This is due to his resistance to long efforts and to cold and rain.

Your initial comment could both be understood in the way you wanted it to be, that van Aert gained time on Pogacar during the last 1.2 km of the stage, but also in the way that tobydawg did, that you had only watched the last 1.2 km. So there was actually no reason to insult him.

It's highly speculative whether van Art could have closed the gap or not if the race had been longer, but I really doubt that he could have done it. We are not sure whether Pogacar actually pushed all the way to the line either, and he certainly didn't look more bothered by the weather than van Aert.

 

[Red Rick]

Your initial comment could both be understood in the way you wanted it to be, that van Aert gained time on Pogacar during the last 1.2 km of the stage, but also in the way that tobydawg did, that you had only watched the last 1.2 km. So there was actually no reason to insult him.

It's highly speculative whether van Art could have closed the gap or not if the race had been longer, but I really doubt that he could have done it. We are not sure whether Pogacar actually pushed all the way to the line either, and he certainly didn't look more bothered by the weather than van Aert.

How much time did WvA gain on VdP in the last 1.2km?

 

[SafeBet]

but also in the way that tobydawg did

I see what you did there.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

How much time did WvA gain on VdP in the last 1.2km?

The gap was 1:07 when vdP had 1.2 left, 1:02 with 400m to go and 49 seconds at the line, if the displayed times were accurate.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Carpentras -> Sault

170.0 km, +4665 m. Bike ride in Carpentras, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur

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Just a lazy mock-up with a gimmicky double (1½) Ventoux ascent to start the stage, but the point was to have Col de Lagarde-d'Apt as penultimate climb, as you get the short circuit trouble with Ventoux instead. The detour with Mur de Monieux adds 10 km, so it's not necessarily a net benefit to include it (without it you can do the 1½ Ventoux as last climbs). A better made stage would come from the east, I think.

It just really has an unfortunate location.

Yeah, my idea was 2 laps on a long circuit after Ventoux from Malaucene right at the start of the stage, something like this the day after a 2013 style Venoux MTF:
https://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/697754

 

[Netserk]

The only live images we have of van Aert in the last 3 km is at ~1.7 km to (43'' after Pogacar). The GPS times seem quite accurate the places where you can cross check them. I think Pogacar and van Aert are equally fast the last 3 km (the whole last ascent) except for the last 300 m (and it doesn't seem like Pogacar pushes to the line to the same extent that van Aert does).

 

[Lequack]

How cool must it be to have Gaviria in your team

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371769480708300803

View: https://twitter.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1371769480708300803?s=20

 

[BlueRoads]

How cool must it be to have Gaviria in your team

https://twitter.com/x/status/1371769480708300803

View: https://twitter.com/TeamEmiratesUAE/status/1371769480708300803?s=20

Well, not so cool so far, I can tell you. I have him in my cq-team.

 

[Netserk]

Yeah, my idea was 2 laps on a long circuit after Ventoux from Malaucene right at the start of the stage, something like this the day after a 2013 style Venoux MTF:
https://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/697754

Piste de Travignon is also an option, if you don't mind non-asphalted roads.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Why does the speculation whether Van Aert would have won if there had been 5 more kilometres really matter? There wasn't and he didn't. If the stage would have finished up Zoncolan, I think Pogacar would have won. But there wasn't and he didn't.

If anything, Van Aert did a bad job and should have paced himself better if he had more left at the end then.

 

[stannydm]

Wout van Aert: “Ik heb meer marge in tijdrit dan Filippo Ganna”

Ride In het exclusieve dubbelinterview dat in het eerste nummer van Ride Magazine staat, geeft Wout van Aert aan dat er absoluut nog verbetering in zijn tijdrit nodig is voor de Olympische Spelen in Tokio. “Filippo Ganna is momenteel echt beter dan de rest. Ik ben overtuigd dat ik nog een...

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“This year I will be training with the time trial bike for the first time in February. Otherwise I only picked up when there was a time trial in the horizon. Only after Paris-Roubaix did I get the time trial bike out of the shed. As a result, I was actually already far behind the specialists. ”
“We have also been tinkering with my aerodynamic position in recent months,” Van Aert continues. “So I should be faster. But yes, everyone tries that every winter. Thanks to his past on the slopes, Ganna has had that experience in his perfect posture for many years. I think his margin to improve is smaller than mine. That does motivate me. ”

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looking at the first starters and their times it looks like we have tailwind during the first part of the ITT and a headwind during the 2nd part.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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[Escarabajo]

Why does the speculation whether Van Aert would have won if there had been 5 more kilometres really matter? There wasn't and he didn't. If the stage would have finished up Zoncolan, I think Pogacar would have won. But there wasn't and he didn't.

If anything, Van Aert did a bad job and should have paced himself better if he had more left at the end then.

I think there is only one person saying this. After watching 70 kilometers of intense racing and then you come up to that conclusion is crazy! Lol.

 

[topcat]

Looking at the first starters and their times it looks like we have tailwind during the first part of the ITT and a headwind during the 2nd part.

Headwinds have been banned this year.

 

[search]

will be interesting to see Ganna's performance in comparison to last year today. He looked pretty tired yesterday, and also the time trials so far this year were relatively close, given that his strongest opponents were Benjamin Thomas and a battered Bissegger, who had crashed the day before.

 

[johnymax]

Bettiol with his annual wtf ITT performance.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ok, so i had to "show ignored content" to see what you all were discussing. Obviously van Aert would not have won if the race was 5k longer, but he would have caught van der Poel at the rate both of them were going. But if the race was 5k longer, van der Poel likely would have waited 5k longer before attacking, and Pogacar and van Aert might have waited longer to react as well.