Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[Semper Fidelis]

Slippery slope?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461365753?tesla=y

Great news for the Masters who are already JERKS.

Go get your gear on Masters - no one cares now.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Slippery slope?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461365753?tesla=y

Yes, it is. While the rider "cried" when he was granted an exemption to race; he took the prescription and continued riding. That's fine and appropriate usage of a drug for your health. The possibility of side effects are the risk he takes in the face of his current affliction. Therein is the biggest risk in my mind. All of the delusional and creative excuses that can be offered to a doctor to get a 'scrip will be used by just about anyone should USADA not be vigilant. Which they're not as evidenced by some of the guys like Dave Leduc. His "therapeutic use" probably goes back much, much longer than his positive test at Masters Natz. He claimed it was for low-T. What was the EPO for? Because he lived at sea level? That guy had an excuse and benefitted from the advantage for quite some time before he was caught and others will as well.

I've said before that cycling, like other sports; is not a democratic circumstance. If you lack the genetic basis, the size, the disposition, dedication and anything else it takes to succeed in a sport then maybe it's not for you. Just 'cause you want it doesn't make it a entitlement. That depreciates the satisfaction for all involved except the very, disturbingly arrogant like a Mr. Leduc.
PS. the ease with which an MD offered a low-t analysis and a possible prescription with his own qualification: "it isn't an advantage, per se. It's just placing you on and equal footing.." while I was in for allergy review was f*cking shocking. He didn't know me or my psychological interest in cycling at all. He also never suggested that there would be side effects. He also never asked if I felt like my competitive situation was compromised by low-t. The health risks abound for liberal hormone usage; just ask women.

This is a great post.

I have said the same to folks who I used to do training with for my Long Distance Running. There are people who honestly are not built to run. The body is just not resilient enough for the training and the talent is not there.

 

[Christian]

Luxembourg Masters rider Pascal Triebel (50) suspected of doping. After a MTB race in Orscholz (Germany), Triebel supposedly first gave a wrong name to a chaperone, then escaped the chaperone. German anti-doping agency NADA have informe Luxembourg's ALAD on the case.

Triebel was suspended in 1998 for Ephedrin use, which he claimed was due to cough syrup. He caused a stir in 1999, after competing in several races despite his ban.

http://www.wort.lu/de/sport/dopingkontrolle-umgangen-pascal-triebel-unter-doping-verdacht-57a84965ac730ff4e7f64b1a

http://cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/rider.asp?riderid=892

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Two more:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/08/news/two-texas-amateurs-snared-raceclean-anti-doping-program_418887

Baatz was caught by an in-competition test at Tour of Corsicana in Corsicana, Texas, March 12. His sample showed the presence of anabolic steroids, and the 48-year-old winner of the men’s 40+ overall in Corsicana has accepted a two-year ban. Ciolli also tested positive for anabolic steroids, as well as the stimulant proplyhexedrine at Tulsa Tough after winning the women’s masters 40+ race on June 11. Ciolli argued that the failed test was the result of a prescription medication and an over-the-counter product, taken under the guidance of a physician. USADA accepted the explanation, but without a TUE, Ciolli accepted the two-year ban.

 

[D-Queued]

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Two more:
http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/08/news/two-texas-amateurs-snared-raceclean-anti-doping-program_418887

Baatz was caught by an in-competition test at Tour of Corsicana in Corsicana, Texas, March 12. His sample showed the presence of anabolic steroids, and the 48-year-old winner of the men’s 40+ overall in Corsicana has accepted a two-year ban. Ciolli also tested positive for anabolic steroids, as well as the stimulant proplyhexedrine at Tulsa Tough after winning the women’s masters 40+ race on June 11. Ciolli argued that the failed test was the result of a prescription medication and an over-the-counter product, taken under the guidance of a physician. USADA accepted the explanation, but without a TUE, Ciolli accepted the two-year ban.

Gaak!

Double Gaak!!

Idiots for sure.

Dave.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Why only 2 years ?
Surely they both should be 4.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

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Why only 2 years ?
Surely they both should be 4.

We'd need to see USADA's report for that but AD rule violations have various sanction durations depending on a range of factors specified in Section 10 of the WADA Code, with 2 years still being a common option.

Not full reports but USADA news:
http://www.usada.org/kimberly-ciolli-accepts-doping-sanction/
http://www.usada.org/robert-baatz-accepts-doping-sanction/

 

[Benotti69]

Baatz and Ciolli getting Seth'd

https://pvcycling.wordpress.com/2016/08/25/no-short-cuts-to-mediocrity/#comments

 

[zigmeister]

Slippery slope?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461365753?tesla=y

Summary of article....WSJ is a paid online newspaper...so your can't read it without a subscription.

http://roidvisor.com/usada-permits-recreational-athletes-use-anabolic-steroids-long-promise-lose-races/

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/


I don't think its a slippery slope. Ardous process, and if you met the requirements, and never end up winning anything...what does it matter in the end?

Again, they need to simply test the guys that are performing then and don't have an exemption of any kind. Does anybody really care if people are finishing in the pack, or off the back in a race doping or not? No. Nobody cares. I can tell you first hand. Only the podium finishers, or consistently high places, always top 10, people take notice of this, because you start to recognize the same names, or guys getting upgrades to higher CATs very quickly. Then, you test them.

Move on with our lives when it comes to master "recreational" racers that don't really care if they finish on the podium. Maybe their goal is health and finishing in/near the bunch at the finish line, and that is a victory, as well as their overall health/well being?

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

2 year sanction. Lacked a TUE for prescribed medication.

Schwab’s sample tested positive for the presence of an exogenous testosterone and/or its metabolites, which was confirmed by Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) analysis

http://www.usada.org/jeff-schwab-accepts-doping-sanction/

 

[Irondan]

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2 year sanction. Lacked a TUE for prescribed medication.

Schwab’s sample tested positive for the presence of an exogenous testosterone and/or its metabolites, which was confirmed by Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (IRMS) analysis

http://www.usada.org/jeff-schwab-accepts-doping-sanction/

USADA is really zeroing in on the worst dopers these days.

At least now we know that amateur masters racing is clean....

 

[Huapango]

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I couldn't find anything, results-wise, on Mr. Schwab. Looks like he got busted while riding in a Cat III race after finishing second, and got busted in the 1 event he ever did.

 

[nogav1ca]

Igor Kopse, Slovenia, one of the best amateur cyclist (multiple amateur WCh RR and TT titles), just got 4 year suspension for refusing to take a control. It was has happened at a TT in Austria. His excuse was, that he had a slight cold and took medicine, which has pseudoephedrine in it, and when he was chosen to be tested, he realized his mistake and preferred to be banned because of refusing to take control, than have a positive test.

More likely is that he was full of PEDs, since he planned to do hour record a week later in Manchester velodrome.

 

[MountTiede]

Most Sports Supplements are hugely overpriced food!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/belgian-amateur-champion-receives-one-year-ban



Be careful what you wish for. I love it. A guy "1000% against doping" takes a supplement called "Crack".

To the rest of you "1000% against doping" dopers. Eat right and get lots of sleep. The protein powder doesn't work. All it ever does is end up mentioned in a doping case.

I actually agree with you on the supplements. I'm sure the nutritional consultants and supplement providers will strongly disagree but I'd expect that; they get paid to sell it.

Global Bodybuilding 'GURU' Joe Weider sold the 'muscle' magazine side of his 'fitness' businesses for over $200m. He made much of his money and name by having a photograph on many pages of his magazines of one of his 'contracted athletes' such as Sergio Oliva:
https://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/sergio-fdb.jpg
and a full page advertisement of a protein powder or weight gain powder from a supplement company(also owned by Weider under a different name) on the opposite page!

The inference being, if you train like 'Sergio' and take this protein powder supplement you could look like Sergio !
Unfortunately, for the millions of young and not so young men worldwide who did buy the very high profit margin product, often for years, Joe forgot to tell his readers that Sergio and all the other champion bodybuilders he had under contract, in addition also took industrial scale amounts of extremely powerful anabolic steroids, which they freely admitted to after retiring, in order to develop their physiques.

My own experiences of weight training(naturally) with National/European level bodybuilders and weightlifters for over a decade parallels Harvard Medical Prof Harrison Pope's view: If you take any individual off the streets and put them on an intensive bodybuilding regime for a 18 months while cycling courses of anabolic steroids, they will develop much more muscle, size and strength, than if they trained naturally for 20 years!

Regarding physical strength it is interesting to note from observing elite level olympic weightlifters, that the human body is able to generate most of the strength it will ever possess while we're still teenagers. Have look at the olympic weightlifting junior and senior world records - astonishingly, the junior(teenage years) world records average only 3% less than the senior(any age) world records. Suggesting the human body is capable of generating close to 97% of all the strength it will ever likely achieve while still a teenager.

This is one of the reasons why China, Eastern European and the old Soviet satellite states are increasingly targeting pre teen youngsters with athletic 'potential' for professional coaching - it is clearly paying off as China now has 8 year olds capable of Clean and Jerking 75Kg and, 13 year olds weighing under 8 stone capable of lifting more than the best elite level steroid fuelled cross-fitters weighing around 16 stone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A-m9W-3_9M

 

[Nellyspania]

Slippery slope?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461365753?tesla=y

Summary of article....WSJ is a paid online newspaper...so your can't read it without a subscription.

http://roidvisor.com/usada-permits-recreational-athletes-use-anabolic-steroids-long-promise-lose-races/

http://www.usada.org/substances/tue/policy/


I don't think its a slippery slope. Ardous process, and if you met the requirements, and never end up winning anything...what does it matter in the end?

Again, they need to simply test the guys that are performing then and don't have an exemption of any kind. Does anybody really care if people are finishing in the pack, or off the back in a race doping or not? No. Nobody cares. I can tell you first hand. Only the podium finishers, or consistently high places, always top 10, people take notice of this, because you start to recognize the same names, or guys getting upgrades to higher CATs very quickly. Then, you test them.

Move on with our lives when it comes to master "recreational" racers that don't really care if they finish on the podium. Maybe their goal is health and finishing in/near the bunch at the finish line, and that is a victory, as well as their overall health/well being?

This is the best of many good posts on this thread; target the podium guys and those who suddenly start getting in breaks etc, the rest, who cares, if you have to dope to be pack filler then bully for you.

The post further up basically lays it down; if you can't hack it or get to the top with what nature gifted to you, too bad. That's what sport is about, the essence is what you can do with what you are gifted.

Some of the trouble is I think that these days you have older riders who come to the sport later in life, read magazines, websites etc (who want them to buy shiny new kit) telling them that age is no barrier (when clearly it is) and you can train your way to masters/vets glory.

 

[nayr497]

With amateur/non-pro riders, I think it should be a lifetime ban for a positive. You're not taking away their source of income and if they are so angry over a permanent ban, well, let 'em go pro!

 

[Irondan]

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With amateur/non-pro riders, I think it should be a lifetime ban for a positive. You're not taking away their source of income and if they are so angry over a permanent ban, well, let 'em go pro!

Not a bad point, but on the other hand since there's zero tolerance the people that get busted for psudoephedrine/cough medicine or some other inadvertent minor ped shouldn't be punished for life for not paying attention too closely to the substances that go in their bodies, they're not pro's after all, it's not their job to make sure they know every single thing that they ingest. The punishment wouldn't fit the crime for some, for others it would but you can't lump them all together.

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

Amateur Cyclist, Ian Edmonds, Banned for Four Years
http://www.ukad.org.uk/news/article/amateur-cyclist-ian-edmonds-banned-for-four-years/

Imported steroids from India. Doesn't race. Refused to give sample.

 

[Catwhoorg]

That one is a little harsh in zero reduction.

If you have literally never raced, nor had any formal anti-doping training, surely there should be some grounds for a slight reduction based on the ignorance that you were (as a BCF member) liable for testing.

 

[Davesta]

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That one is a little harsh in zero reduction.

If you have literally never raced, nor had any formal anti-doping training, surely there should be some grounds for a slight reduction based on the ignorance that you were (as a BCF member) liable for testing.

In some ways it does seem harsh, but it more so highlights the leniency with which Pro athletes are treated when caught for similar offences.

Upon reflection, I've got no problem with a 4 year ban for an amateur athlete who's bought PEDs from the internet. It's not like there could be any use for them other than performance enhancement, even if he was only enhancing performance for gran fondos and Strava! He may not have realised that he was under the auspices of UKAD, but he surely knew he was enhancing performance artificially.

What I've got a problem with is the fact that Pros often receive reduced bans for similar offences...

 

[Catwhoorg]

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What I've got a problem with is the fact that Pros often receive reduced bans for similar offences...

After education.
With all the resources available to them.

It is shockingly inconsistent.

 

[Davesta]

Re: Re:

What I've got a problem with is the fact that Pros often receive reduced bans for similar offences...

After education.
With all the resources available to them.

It is shockingly inconsistent.

Very good point - I hadn't even considered the education & resources they have.

At least this Osborne fella might have some claim to ignorance. Compare that to, say, Lizzie Deignan (nee Armistead)...

 

[zigmeister]

And now especially that USADA has said they will allow a special TUE for use of Testosterone under circumstances, basically, as long as you don't ever top 10.

Of course, USADA and Tygart answer to nobody. So, exactly how many of these TUEs and special exceptions have they ever allowed? I bet it is ZERO!!!

Tygart isn't fit to wash my car, nonetheless run USADA and be involved with and work along USA Cycling.

They finally made a slight acknowledgement that Florida's Clean Ride program that was started a few years back was the inspiration for additional fees, and more testing.

But whatever, who cares about a bunch of amateurs doping. The top talented riders and up and coming young riders will still win and rise to the ranks and pro levels. That is just how it is. Especially Testosterone use by people. Everybody thinks it is some miracle drug that will make you a Pro Cat 1/2 racer in a month after a few injections. Ridiculous.

Let's put our time and effort into the Pro, top finishers for testing. Not some guy who barely finishes with the group.

 

[doperhopper]

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And now especially that USADA has said they will allow a special TUE for use of Testosterone under circumstances, basically, as long as you don't ever top 10.

Of course, USADA and Tygart answer to nobody. So, exactly how many of these TUEs and special exceptions have they ever allowed? I bet it is ZERO!!!

Tygart isn't fit to wash my car, nonetheless run USADA and be involved with and work along USA Cycling.

They finally made a slight acknowledgement that Florida's Clean Ride program that was started a few years back was the inspiration for additional fees, and more testing.

But whatever, who cares about a bunch of amateurs doping. The top talented riders and up and coming young riders will still win and rise to the ranks and pro levels. That is just how it is. Especially Testosterone use by people. Everybody thinks it is some miracle drug that will make you a Pro Cat 1/2 racer in a month after a few injections. Ridiculous.

Let's put our time and effort into the Pro, top finishers for testing. Not some guy who barely finishes with the group.

haha, expect plenty of 11th places in prep minor races, esp. from future big race winners

 

[Alex Simmons/RST]

USADA announced today that Tim Root, of Boise, Idaho, an athlete in the sport of cycling, has received a four-year sanction for refusing to provide a urine sample to a doping control officer. Root was selected to submit a sample as a result of being among the top finishers in his event at the 2016 Anderson Banducci Twilight Criterium in Boise, Idaho.
...
Root, 49, refused to provide a sample upon being selected by a doping control officer during an in-competition test on July 16, 2016.

http://www.usada.org/tim-root-receives-doping-sanction/