Tom Danielson

[Inquitus]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

It is very interesting "who" did the testing politically. USADA doesn't have a conflict of interest in the testing. However, he has raced in Europe without a positive. However, just like Lance who tested positive and was covered up. I am sure most of those tests in Europe are covered up.

He lives in the US so all his OOC testing will be done in the US, you can take the tinfoil hat off now.

 

[Benotti69]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

It is very interesting "who" did the testing politically. USADA doesn't have a conflict of interest in the testing. However, he has raced in Europe without a positive. However, just like Lance who tested positive and was covered up. I am sure most of those tests in Europe are covered up.

He lives in the US so all his OOC testing will be done in the US, you can take the tinfoil hat off now.

Why do you doubt positives are covered up? We know this to be fact. Look at Contador. Then we have the anglosaxon riders getting off on Clen, but Chinese rider not. Plenty of other examples.

Not hard to see the inequity in pro cycling, no tin foil hats needed.

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

 

[Benotti69]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

 

[Energy Starr]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

the only thing we need to hear from JV is "Uh....I have to quit guys."

 

[Benotti69]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

the only thing we need to hear from JV is "Uh....I have to quit guys."

Not going to happen, imo, or if it does, JV will only be pulling back to let someone else do the running to his instructions. I doubt JV will think, yeah i have spent 13 or so years working to build this up to this level to just have an idiot like Danielson end it. Nah, JV will twist his way out of this.

JV wants to be around for Oleg's new cycling league

 

[Catwhoorg]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

I fully agree with the bold.
He got a chance, a lifeline to remain in the sport despite cheating, then cheated again anyway.

 

[doperhopper]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

I fully agree with the bold.
He got a chance, a lifeline to remain in the sport despite cheating, then cheated again anyway.

And all this mainly for failing the IQ test.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

He didn't stop cheating.

Gluten-free diet was allegedly "boosting" his performance in 2008.

 

[classicomano]

Tommy D's career has been pretty odd the last few years, completely sucking ass in the European races but always having a superpeak in races like Utah. Maybe after his confession he practiced some extreme mental gymnastics where he still felt he was allowed/entitled to dope in his own home races. But the ride ends here.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

I'm currently wading through the last 100 pages of Landis' Positively False, I would imagine Danielson's camp is going through a very similar process right now. (Acting all hurt, confused, dumbfounded as to how he turned up positive, summoning all the lawyers, coming up with the most creative of excuses, etc....)

It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, history does just seem to keep on repeating itself in sports. Danielson will probably come out with a book of his own in the future.

 

[Benotti69]

I find Gaimon's reaction very disappointing

"Optum Pro Cycling’s Phil Gaimon, who recently wrote an article for Cyclingnews about what it means to be a clean rider, was one of the riders who didn’t want to comment about Danielson, whom he considers a friend. An obviously shaken Gaimon simply told Cyclingnews before the stage that his worldview had been shattered."

Gaimon's "worldview has been shattered", what? Was he born yesterday? What an idiot! Did he not watch il Giro then or the TdF, does he not know all the former dopers are now running teams, working for teams, working for race organisers, coaching etc.........

Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

 

[Dear Wiggo]

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I find Gaimon's reaction very disappointing

"Optum Pro Cycling’s Phil Gaimon, who recently wrote an article for Cyclingnews about what it means to be a clean rider, was one of the riders who didn’t want to comment about Danielson, whom he considers a friend. An obviously shaken Gaimon simply told Cyclingnews before the stage that his worldview had been shattered."

Gaimon's "worldview has been shattered", what? Was he born yesterday? What an idiot! Did he not watch il Giro then or the TdF, does he not know all the former dopers are now running teams, working for teams, working for race organisers, coaching etc.........

Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

Ironically, Gaimon admitted in his CN article to having low T and taking supps to correct it...

 

[red_flanders]

So much chatter about whether it's this or that supplement, whether he was trying to peak for Utah, why would he do this so late in his career? Noise, IMO.

Isn't the far more likely scenario, which is supported by history, that he just happened to get popped for something he's been doing the whole time? The idea that the testing catches people the one time they do it is laughable.

 

[joe_papp]

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2. Why did he use T when he could have used T under the TUE loophole? Why would a pro cyclist use T with no TUE? Thats asking for trouble.
In crossfit you can use T from your doc and if you get busted, you can just retro date the TUE no probs and they are happy with that.

Because a TUE from USADA for Testosterone is near-impossible to get for anyone except the unlucky person whose testicles were destroyed in a horse-kicking accident or something like that.

(Basically the TUE panel has set such a high standard for demonstrating actual, organically-caused androgen deficiency in male athletes (and not just a functional disorder) that it's not even worth trying to fake it if your body actually does produce some T.)

Note:

TUE Applications for Testosterone – Physician

 It is extremely unlikely that a Therapeutic Use Exemption will be approved for "functional" hypogonadism (a diagnosis of hypogonadism based on low testosterone (T) levels but without a defined etiology)

See: http://www.usada.org/wp-content/uploads/TUE_guidance_androgen_deficiency_male_hypogonadism-testosterone.pdf

 

[The Hitch]

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Hardly worth discussing it it? Danielson is total history. Lifetime ban awaiteth.

Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

I fully agree with the bold.
He got a chance, a lifeline to remain in the sport despite cheating, then cheated again anyway.

Doesn't really matter at his age though.

 

[therhodeo]

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Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

Or just a nice genuine person who thought someone had learned their lesson and is disappointed.

 

[Irondan]

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I find Gaimon's reaction very disappointing

"Optum Pro Cycling’s Phil Gaimon, who recently wrote an article for Cyclingnews about what it means to be a clean rider, was one of the riders who didn’t want to comment about Danielson, whom he considers a friend. An obviously shaken Gaimon simply told Cyclingnews before the stage that his worldview had been shattered."

Gaimon's "worldview has been shattered", what? Was he born yesterday? What an idiot! Did he not watch il Giro then or the TdF, does he not know all the former dopers are now running teams, working for teams, working for race organisers, coaching etc.........

Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

Gaimon apologized on twitter to anyone who felt they were mis-lead by him in his book.

Phil Gaimon ‏@philgaimon 15h15 hours ago
I hope folks don't blame me or feel like I was duping them if it turns out I had things wrong in the book. I wrote from the heart.

 

[gooner]

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I find Gaimon's reaction very disappointing

"Optum Pro Cycling’s Phil Gaimon, who recently wrote an article for Cyclingnews about what it means to be a clean rider, was one of the riders who didn’t want to comment about Danielson, whom he considers a friend. An obviously shaken Gaimon simply told Cyclingnews before the stage that his worldview had been shattered."

Gaimon's "worldview has been shattered", what? Was he born yesterday? What an idiot! Did he not watch il Giro then or the TdF, does he not know all the former dopers are now running teams, working for teams, working for race organisers, coaching etc.........

Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

He's speaking in terms of his friendship with Danielson, not the whole sport in general.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

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Is it not 8 years (which is effectively life although not technically life)?

8 years to life is the range available as the standard sanction.

The 18 months he got reduced for co-operation would be tacked on for sure, so probably 9.5 years is the minimum he is facing.

I actually think Danielson deserves a lifeban. He knew what the score was after the 'reasoned decision' yet continued to dope. I think Tygart should have made that a prerequisite of the riders who continued to race after the 'reasoned decision', that any testing positive faces a life ban.

The silence from Vaughter's twitter is deafening.

I fully agree with the bold.

He got a chance, a lifeline to remain in the sport despite cheating, then cheated again anyway.

Doesn't really matter at his age though.

Considering his age, I think they should make the 'lifetime ban' apply to all aspects of professional cycling. If you get popped as a rider, then you receive a lifetime ban in regards to all aspects of pro cycling - IE ZERO involvement is allowed. Can't be a DS or work in any other capacity.

 

[Mr.38%]

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Gaimon aint ***, is he? When i hear that crap i think, yep that is another doper talking.........

Gaimon may just have a strategy to survive clean in complete insanity.

Ironically, Gaimon admitted in his CN article to having low T and taking supps to correct it...

There are people who are actually doing real hard training to correct low power output as well. No reason to roll eyes if somebody is open to list his supplements (where Tribulus does nothing physically, maybe mentally).

 

[nayr497]

Wow, what a complete jerk. And to continue to deny it...

 

[nayr497]

Is that *** Vandevelde still working at NBC? I can't imagine trying to land a job in an industry where I had been caught cheating. Insane. I'd have to make a new career path, not in cycling!

 

[Irondan]

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Is that **** Vandevelde still working at NBC? I can't imagine trying to land a job in an industry where I had been caught cheating. Insane. I'd have to make a new career path, not in cycling!

Well, It's not like he was doing anything different than anybody else. Everyone in cycling was doping when he was, and they probably still are. It doesn't make sense that he would be so ashamed for something that they ALL did.
That doesn't mean that you don't have a point, it just means that he's not going to have the same embarrassment and shame for doing something and getting caught that maybe you or I would.

 

[Tonton]

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Is that **** Vandevelde still working at NBC? I can't imagine trying to land a job in an industry where I had been caught cheating. Insane. I'd have to make a new career path, not in cycling!

I don't blame him. I blame NBC. And I blame the French TV for giving a job to Jalabert instead of Mottet, Delion, Bassons, et caetera.