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Red Rick said:
He said it's 95% that he won't do the Giro.
As far as I see it he only wants the Tour but everyone else at Team Sky would be happier with him doing the Giro and thus coming to the Tour with less optimal form so he would be forced to help Froomey in the third week. This way Sky would have a better chance for both GT victories. However, sincs Thomas wants to hear nothing about it the situation is interesting right now.
I didn't read that but it's possibly true. We will find out soon enough. Anyway the Giro will be stacked even without him.
dastott said:
They need to put big time into Yates and Bernal in the TT, because these two kids can really, really climb.
Poursuivant said:
Bernal lost around 1 and a half minutes to Tejay in a ITT last year at the Tour of California. He'll lose even more than that to Dumoulin in a similar length ITT and there are 3 ITTs at the Giro. He should lose similar time to Roglic that he lost to Tejay. Also remember the last stage of the Giro is an ITT.
Yes, 3 ITT's, and none of them roleur-friendly, so Bernal probably won't be losing 3.5 s/km there
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Dumoulin is a TT specialist that can do just as well on the type of ITTs the Giro has as on a pan flat ITT. These aren't mountain ITTs. Bernal will be losing a good bit of time to the better time trialists.
roundabout said:
Dumoulin is a TT specialist that can do just as well on the type of ITTs the Giro has as on a pan flat ITT. These aren't mountain ITTs. Bernal will be losing a good bit of time to the better time trialists.
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Precisely. What's more Dumoulin actually prefers a hilly ITT to a pan flat one. If you check his previous performances he was at his best on the rolling TTs such as the Montefalco TT in the 2017 Giro or the Tour TT from last year. He is less spectacular on the pan flat and that's only logical since he sacrificed some of his raw power to become a much better climber. He still beats the Tony Martins and Stefan Küngs on pan flat ITTs most often than not. But anyway, he doesn't really likes them, as you can see by checking the result of the last year's Rovereto ITT from the Giro for example. He specifically stated this a number of times as well.
Koronin said:
Precisely. What's more Dumoulin actually prefers a hilly ITT to a pan flat one. If you check his previous performances he was at his best on the rolling TTs such as the Montefalco TT in the 2017 Giro or the Tour TT from last year. He is less spectacular on the pan flat and that's only logical since he sacrificed some of his raw power to become a much better climber. He still beats the Tony Martins and Stefan Küngs on pan flat ITTs most often than not. But anyway, he doesn't really likes them, as you can see by checking the result of the last year's Rovereto ITT from the Giro for example. He specifically stated this a number of times as well.
I'm not sure why there is so much discussion on Bernal v Dumoulin when Simon Yates will be the man to beat in Italy. His climbing was superb in 2018 and he will be stronger in 2019
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Dumoulin beat him last year in the Giro and he'll lose time on the time trials
HelloDolly said:
Dumoulin beat him last year in the Giro and he'll lose time on the time trials
Lopez ships especially on small climbs which require positioning. If he can get that under control he will be much closer in the GT.
I think Dumoulin can beat everyone providing he is in top shape. That last thing isn't a given. Plus Roglic is, I think, an equal in virtually everything, even ITT's if he has a good tt. Like people said before, Dumoulin with a slight edge in the TT and Roglic with a slight edge in climbing/explosivity.. will be very very close.
Yates is a superb climber but last year he had to blow himself up to give himself a chance, with less TT kilometers. If he has to take it 'easier' like in the Vuelta he won't build the buffer he needs for 3 TT
I think Dumoulin can beat everyone providing he is in top shape. That last thing isn't a given. Plus Roglic is, I think, an equal in virtually everything, even ITT's if he has a good tt. Like people said before, Dumoulin with a slight edge in the TT and Roglic with a slight edge in climbing/explosivity.. will be very very close.
Yates is a superb climber but last year he had to blow himself up to give himself a chance, with less TT kilometers. If he has to take it 'easier' like in the Vuelta he won't build the buffer he needs for 3 TT
This Giro basically has like 3 stages where *** can go down and hit the fan really early. If that doesn't happen, I don't see Bernal or Yates making up the minutes they'll lose.
Then there's the enigma that is Nibali. Should he not lead, shenanigans will go down.
Then there's the enigma that is Nibali. Should he not lead, shenanigans will go down.
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Will he really try again this year?
It backfired tremendously in the Tour last year.Dekker_Tifosi said:
Will he really try again this year?
I have the feeling that Nibali will crash in the descent of the Gavia in a desperate attempt to gain time.
He needs a lot of racing to build his shape and the late start of the season won't help so he'll loose time almost everywhere in the Giro but I can't see him give up so he has to try a crazy move.
He needs a lot of racing to build his shape and the late start of the season won't help so he'll loose time almost everywhere in the Giro but I can't see him give up so he has to try a crazy move.
Underestimating Nibali, which is almost always the case especially on these forums is good. He mostly delivers when he is not the top favorite. That said Tom looks to be the man to beat followed closely by Yates.
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The guy is a legend that won 4 GT (10 podiums) and 3 monuments (6 podiums), delivered every year since 2013 winning at least a GT/monument per year (actually, since 2010 he always had at least a podium in a GT or monument).
I can’t believe that he still gets underestimated like this…
Still, I think as well that Dumo is the slight favoured, but this year Giro has loads of real climbing, so I feel that both Nibali and Bernal will have their fair chances in the second part.
Rollthedice said:
The guy is a legend that won 4 GT (10 podiums) and 3 monuments (6 podiums), delivered every year since 2013 winning at least a GT/monument per year (actually, since 2010 he always had at least a podium in a GT or monument).
I can’t believe that he still gets underestimated like this…
Still, I think as well that Dumo is the slight favoured, but this year Giro has loads of real climbing, so I feel that both Nibali and Bernal will have their fair chances in the second part.
If anything, I feel that real climbing might suit Dumoulin more than you'd think. He's become more of a climber for multi mountains instead of explosives ones. The exact opposite of 2017.
He's actually far more similar to Nibali nowadays then you'd realize.
Except Nibali is more tactically astute.
He's actually far more similar to Nibali nowadays then you'd realize.
Except Nibali is more tactically astute.
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Yes, Roglic has to be considered too now though. Those 3 are definitely the favorites. TD deserves to be the top favorite, but he's not going to win this race easily.
Rollthedice said:
Yes, Roglic has to be considered too now though. Those 3 are definitely the favorites. TD deserves to be the top favorite, but he's not going to win this race easily.
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Alot depends on their respective teams
Bahrain, SKY, Lotto V and MS have very strong lineups to help win the Giro
Sunweb would have to bring Kelderman,Oomen, KA, Bakelants and Roche which would mean all their eggs in the one Giro basket
Son of Amsterhammer said:
Alot depends on their respective teams
Bahrain, SKY, Lotto V and MS have very strong lineups to help win the Giro
Sunweb would have to bring Kelderman,Oomen, KA, Bakelants and Roche which would mean all their eggs in the one Giro basket
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