Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[silvergrenade]

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Dumoulin: "Giro classification is over."

Meh..
I still hope he finishes the Giro if riding doesnt make his knee worse...

It's a waste of the rest of the season

Thats what everyone said about Froome, including his team.
Real tenacity is known in the toughest of times.
Ofc every injury is different but I think Tom is a big champion and he should start tomorrows stage if he can.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin: "Giro classification is over."

Meh..
I still hope he finishes the Giro if riding doesnt make his knee worse...

It's a waste of the rest of the season

Thats what everyone said about Froome, including his team.
Real tenacity is known in the toughest of times.
Ofc every injury is different but I think Tom is a big champion and he should start tomorrows stage if he can.

I don't remember anyone saying that about Froome.

He also didn't sustain major injuries or lose 4 minutes to literally everyone.

One thing is not the other.

Real tenacity by *** ass.

 

[red_flanders]

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Probably doing Suisse + altitude camp and then TDf. I do not think he will continue this Giro

I hope this becomes the new plan.

Yeah, agreed. This is a real shame, and seems pointless to continue for him. Not everyone has magical recovery powers like Froome.

 

[SafeBet]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin: "Giro classification is over."

Meh..
I still hope he finishes the Giro if riding doesnt make his knee worse...

It's a waste of the rest of the season

Thats what everyone said about Froome, including his team.
Real tenacity is known in the toughest of times.
Ofc every injury is different but I think Tom is a big champion and he should start tomorrows stage if he can.

I don't remember anyone saying that about Froome.

He also didn't sustain major injuries or lose 4 minutes to literally everyone.

Go look in his topic and have fun then. There were multiple posters saying he should quit and focus on the Tour. Same thing for Nibali in 2016. We all know what happened.

And while we are at it, Froome was injured from day one of that Giro.

Now back to Tom, if the knee is fine (which is a big IF seeing how he was pedaling after the crash), there's no reason to quit. He stays in the race and see what happens. He's got two TTs to gain time on each of his rivals. Roglic could fade badly in the third week, Nibali is old, Superman is vulnerable to ambushes, Yates has collapsed before. You never know with cycling. You never know.

 

[Leinster]

If his knee is ok, I could see Dumoulin pulling back 4 minutes on anyone and everyone ahead of him somewhere along the way, except Roglic. He needs Roglic to have at least one very, very bad day to win.

Worth remembering that he had a significant unplanned loss of time in his only GT win to date. This is a bigger time loss, with less ongoing injury concerns, but still, it’s a not-insurmountable gap. To everyone except Roglic, of course. To even come back from this and finish 2nd or 3rd would still be a very impressive performance and a worthwhile race.

 

[kiszol]

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Now back to Tom, if the knee is fine (which is a big IF seeing how he was pedaling after the crash), there's no reason to quit. He stays in the race and see what happens. He's got two TTs to gain time on each of his rivals. Roglic could fade badly in the third week, Nibali is old, Superman is vulnerable to ambushes, Yates has collapsed before. You never know with cycling. You never know.

It's not that simple. It certainly sounds good but all of these have to happen, not just one of them. Yates has to collepse, Roglic has to fade, his age has to become a factor for the first time in a GT for Nibali, Superman has to be ambushed succesfully and so on. Individually each of these is possible, almost likely to happen, but all of them?

On the other hand while yes you never say never and there is a chance you can argue that the possbile gains are bigger from abandoning and focusing fully on the Tour where he might just become the number 1 favourite with that than the losses with losing the real slim chance of winning this Giro (anything else won't add too much to his career).

 

[roundabout]

There is a clinic reason why it made sense for Froome to continue last year, so it was a bit different.

 

[Eyeballs Out]

If he couldn't pedal properly immediately after the crash when the adrenaline is up then I don't like his chances of getting very far tomorrow - usually much worse the next day. Maybe tendon damage. Plus the cut could hardly be in a worse place

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Assuming he won't stay in it for the two ITT's or to go stagehunting, i'm guessing he's going to call it quits. Unless his team thinks riding the Giro softpedaling and picking out his stages, is a better preperation for the TDF... Can't see it happening unless his knee is in much better shape come morning.

 

[Leinster]

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Assuming he won't stay in it for the two ITT's or to go stagehunting, i'm guessing he's going to call it quits. Unless his team thinks riding the Giro softpedaling and picking out his stages, is a better preperation for the TDF... Can't see it happening unless his knee is in much better shape come morning.

If his knee is a problem, he should absolutely quite the race, sooner rather than later.

If his knee isn't a problem, there's no reason to not stick around until at least the stage 9 TT.

 

[Robert5091]

No point in risking another crash - go and rest for TdF.

 

[Poursuivant]

Can’t see how he continues when he could barely even pedal yesterday

 

[gregrowlerson]

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Now back to Tom, if the knee is fine (which is a big IF seeing how he was pedaling after the crash), there's no reason to quit. He stays in the race and see what happens. He's got two TTs to gain time on each of his rivals. Roglic could fade badly in the third week, Nibali is old, Superman is vulnerable to ambushes, Yates has collapsed before. You never know with cycling. You never know.

It's not that simple. It certainly sounds good but all of these have to happen, not just one of them. Yates has to collepse, Roglic has to fade, his age has to become a factor for the first time in a GT for Nibali, Superman has to be ambushed succesfully and so on. Individually each of these is possible, almost likely to happen, but all of them?

On the other hand while yes you never say never and there is a chance you can argue that the possbile gains are bigger from abandoning and focusing fully on the Tour where he might just become the number 1 favourite with that than the losses with losing the real slim chance of winning this Giro (anything else won't add too much to his career).

This. Last year Froome didn't have to make up a few minutes on multiple rivals, plus there was no guarantee that he would be allowed to start the Tour.

Silver lining for fans: TDF could be really great with rested Dumoulin vs. Froome/Thomas/Bernal.

 

[glassmoon]

rest > do the Suisse (it's beautiful race) > maybe some camp then fight Ineos at TdF

 

[Blanco]

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If his knee is ok, I could see Dumoulin pulling back 4 minutes on anyone and everyone ahead of him somewhere along the way, except Roglic. He needs Roglic to have at least one very, very bad day to win.

Worth remembering that he had a significant unplanned loss of time in his only GT win to date. This is a bigger time loss, with less ongoing injury concerns, but still, it’s a not-insurmountable gap. To everyone except Roglic, of course. To even come back from this and finish 2nd or 3rd would still be a very impressive performance and a worthwhile race.

Yeah, right He should've put 20-30 sec to everyone, bar Roglic, at San Luca prologue, but he didn't. That means that he is not at 100% yet, which means that after this crash he will hardly be at that 100% in San Marino either. Or he's simply out of shape. Anyway, I can't see him gaining those 4 min, not even in the TT's, and especially not in the mountains.

 

[Tim Booth]

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Can’t see how he continues when he could barely even pedal yesterday

seems he is starting today

 

[SafeBet]

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Last year Froome didn't have to make up a few minutes on multiple rivals

After Sappada (stage 15!):

Yates
Dumoulin 2'11"
Pozzovivo 2'28"
Pinot 2'37"


Froome 4'52"

Seriously, guys, you should go back and read Froome's topic from last year. The common opinion before Zoncolan was he had no chance to even podium. A lot of people claimed he should quit and heal.
I actually think if Tom's healthy he has a bigger chance to podium this Giro than Froome's had last year after two weeks of racing. A number of things have to happen, sure, but he's a champion.

 

[King Boonen]

It's a 3 week race and anything can happen, we're not even a third of the way through it yet.

However, it's also the first of the 3 GTs and if he's suffering it could make a lot of sense to either soft pedal and train or pull out and train for the Tour. I don't think it's obvious either way.

 

[Leinster]

Re: Re:

Last year Froome didn't have to make up a few minutes on multiple rivals

After Sappada (stage 15!):

Yates
Dumoulin 2'11"
Pozzovivo 2'28"
Pinot 2'37"


Froome 4'52"

Seriously, guys, you should go back and read Froome's topic from last year. The common opinion before Zoncolan was he had no chance to even podium. A lot of people claimed he should quit and heal.
I actually think if Tom's healthy he has a bigger chance to podium this Giro than Froome's had last year after two weeks of racing. A number of things have to happen, sure, but he's a champion.

This. All of this.

The big question being “IF” he’s healthy, of course. No sense making any injuries worse.

 

[Cinemaniak]

If he starts today, we'll know soon enough if he's recovered enough for the remaining of the Giro. Starting the day with two serious climbs and probably a number of riders (non-GC) that will be in the attack

 

[silvergrenade]

Tom D to start today. Good news!
https://twitter.com/TeamSunweb/status/1128589665001529344

 

[HelloDolly]

Pulling out doesn't seem to be an option as Nicolas Roche said on ES yesterday Toms training schedule includes racing the Giro to be optimum for the Tour ..its seemingly all decided months ago

 

[rick james]

Re: Re:

Last year Froome didn't have to make up a few minutes on multiple rivals

After Sappada (stage 15!):

Yates
Dumoulin 2'11"
Pozzovivo 2'28"
Pinot 2'37"


Froome 4'52"

Seriously, guys, you should go back and read Froome's topic from last year. The common opinion before Zoncolan was he had no chance to even podium. A lot of people claimed he should quit and heal.
I actually think if Tom's healthy he has a bigger chance to podium this Giro than Froome's had last year after two weeks of racing. A number of things have to happen, sure, but he's a champion.

Dam you and facts

 

[Red Rick]

For Froome we're talking about after Sappada, which is the end of the 2nd week

For Dumoulin it's stage 4. Not to mention a difference in injuries

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well, he isn't very positive but he has an iron will to continue this Giro. Not sure what good that will do.. But we'll see I guess