Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[Red Rick]

I'm happy for the level he showed today. Not really happy he's working for Roglic everywhere now.

Ofc, Roglic wins so it's justified (or in TDF case he was better anyway). But I sure hope it doesn't become the norm.

For a proper classics tandem I think Roglic isn't a great enough finisher while Dumo isn't punchy enough to make the right groups. Just let them colead the Vuelta and see who's stronger on the road.

The team atmosphere seems to be really goot at Jumbo which is really nice to see.

 

[gavia88]

I don't know if it even was the best tactics anyway. Ok, in the end the result was the best possible. But if Alaphilipe just sprinted normal, Roglic would have been 4th most likely. Even after the work, Dumoulin was still very close at the top of the RaF. Maybe without working they could have been with 2 in the elite group (although Dumouling probaly is just not explosife enough for this). Or they could have made the race harder for exemple on laRedoute, or even earlier in the race, tiring Alaphilipe's legs, to prevent his famous attack in the last 500m of the final climb of the race. In this way Tom was just preparing Alaphilipe's jump. Roglic normally was without a chance in that sprint.

 

[johnymax]

So what's the plan for the Vuelta? Are both him and Roglič definitely going? I've also heard both Kuss and Bennett are also planned to go.

 

[italoc]

Happy to see him getting better, but sad to see he's basically only working as a superdom, and not even in the smartest way possible (why not a well-prepared long-range attack, or setting high pace on on for example Redoute to try to make the race more open?). Of course Jumbo wins at the end of the day so it's all fine, but well, I am a bit concerned for the future.

 

[gerundium]

I think this is doing Dumoulin a lot of good tbh. Being out of racing for so long, i think playing a role for your teammates and actually doing something in the races again will reignite the fire and passion for racing. I know myself that the small victories of taking pulls for teammates after returning from injury are these small stepping stones to getting the confidence and top level back.

Just let him enjoy actually racing again and he will find his way back to the top level. I am not sure it will be this season already in the Vuelta, but at least next season i do expect to see Tom ready to fight for the big wins.

 

[Bolder]

I think his confidence and physical condition took a bigger hit than I thought. We saw WvA come back from a horrific injury like nothing happened, but then again we saw Froome struggle. TD is maybe in between those two.

I have some hip problems (shredded labrum from overuse) and I'm just not able, at least in my own mind, to do some activities 100 percent. I suspect it might be the same with Tom -- we're not exactly sure what his problem was with regard to the tendon, but he did have two surgeries, so clearly it was not minor.

Anyway, he's one of my favorite riders for his skills and determination, and I really hope it's not another Andy Schleck situation where a promising career is cut short by injury.

 

[perico]

Nice, that might be the closest a trade team has come than.

Yeah it was but Hampsten was way way behind in 4th, almost 20 minutes behind LeMond. I’m a big fan of Hampsten, but he somewhat benefited that year in terms of GC with Delgado (who probably would’ve finished 3rd) abandoning due to the death of his mother and Millar completely collapsing in the alps.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kinda hoped for a similar 2018 Giro/TDF thing where he climbed better in the 2nd GT...

But no, not 1, not 2, not 3, no, 4 men within his own team climbed better.. Gonna be a long Vuelta this way, he'll just be a mountain train worker now unfortunately. When even Gesink, with all the respect, is better then there's no hope for this GC

 

[dutchdescent]

bad. better go home and reset for next season. Continuing is not good for morale

 

[ppanther92]

Kinda hoped for a similar 2018 Giro/TDF thing where he climbed better in the 2nd GT...

But no, not 1, not 2, not 3, no, 4 men within his own team climbed better.. Gonna be a long Vuelta this way, he'll just be a mountain train worker now unfortunately. When even Gesink, with all the respect, is better then there's no hope for this GC

Gesink was surprisingly good, however. I mean, he finished 12th as a domestique. But I agree, Tom will be probably no "second option" in this race.

 

[roundabout]

Gesink wasn't better. He joined the group later. But that's still putting lipstick on a pig as there is no difference for a GT podium hopeful to be 4 or 5th best from his team on the day.

 

[bajbar]

Gesink and Kuss were training at altitude in Andorra for the past couple of weeks, so you would expect them to start with a better shape to the rest of the team who were not at altitude. That might be one reason why Gesink came in with Tom and Kuss looked stronger than Roglič on the climb at least.

 

[roundabout]

yeah, the start wasn't good, but at this point there is no reason for Dumoulin to work unless he is the only one left

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ugh. I guess i'll have to start cheering for Mas then.

Has Tom said anything yet?

 

[Red Rick]

Ugh. I guess i'll have to start cheering for Mas then.

Has Tom said anything yet?

"I'm a little fed up. I don't feel 100%. I'm a little tired"

Don't think "ik baal" translates very nicely though, saying he's fed up is a bit strongly worded. Body language was pretty neutral. No Divalin at all.

They didn't go on altitude so there were question marks before this Vuelta. Obviously Dumoulin is gonna take time to get back to his best, and I guess maybe after all this down time 2 GTs close in a row is a bit much. But I don't get people saying he should go home. He was looking forward to this race and emphasizing he wants to give his all, be it for himself or for the team here.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Plus he should be a favorite to win the ITT

 

[savornin]

Sad to see our Great Dutch Hope Tom Dumoulin dropped off a few levels and is not a GT contender anymore. Here's hoping he'll be back one day. Back to Kelderman...

 

[SafeBet]

Didn't expect this. Shape looked on the rise.
Hopefully can build something for next year.

 

[JosefK]

It was destined to be a hard year for Dumo. Too much time off the bike from injury, then many months of no racing, then probably needed another month to really be ready for the TDF, raced it when out of form, and hasn't had the background training to recover quickly enough for the Vuelta. Does it sound like I'm making excuses? I actually think he'll be much stronger next year.

 

[Netserk]

Overrated.

Time to retire.

 

[broppo]

Overrated.

Time to retire.

I agree, lousy rider, should be ashamed of himself. Louis Meintjes the 2nd.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lol what.

The tank is empty. On to next season.

 

[Netserk]

Lol what.

The tank is empty. On to next season.

You know he will never get back to what he was. The sooner he realises it, the sooner he will retire.

 

[DFA123]

You know he will never get back to what he was. The sooner he realises it, the sooner he will retire.

And what he was, was never even that special. A poor man's Wiggins.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

The vultures are circling...