Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[jens_attacks]

He must leave the team and target tour de france overall win next year.

 

[hfer07]

Tom definitely is TOUR WINNER material IMO- obviously with the proper team & a parcour with a lengthy TT. The question is about GA building up the Team Tom deserves, or should he depart to other team to pursuit GT title ambitions.

I only hope he wouldn't choose to go to Etixx- QS, Lotto Soudal, Lotto Jumbo, or Lampre........

 

[orangerider]

Wouldn't write him off at this point. He's shown far better climbing ability than, say, Tejay. In fact, right as he is now is everything that Tejay should've been years ago as many had hoped to be.

 

[Metabolol]

I think Dumoulin has shown enough to be considered as a serious TDF contender. A course with less steep mountains and more TTing will suit him very well. I think he can win the Tour next year if he has a strong team backing him up.

 

[Pentacycle]

Re:

Wouldn't write him off at this point. He's shown far better climbing ability than, say, Tejay. In fact, right as he is now is everything that Tejay should've been years ago as many had hoped to be.

Tejay's climbing shown in the Dauphiné is far better than what Dumoulin has shown so far, though doesn't have the consistency and TT power. Most of all, Dumoulin is a threat in the first week, which he would've aced this year if it weren't for that crash. Tejay hasn't shown any special talent compared to other GT men.

 

[b.broadhurst]

He will end up at Sky. You watch!

 

[classicomano]

Translooted an interview he did today, looks like he sees his future with Giant.

Dumoulin: they will contract riders to support me

Team Giant-Alpecin will build a team to ride in big tours for the GC. Says Tom Dumoulin in The News BV NPO Radio 1. "The squad will attract riders to support me and Warren Barguil in the mountains."

"We will not focus purely on the sprint in the coming years. Of course we will continue to focus on there too, but we go for the championship. We're gonna make big steps there," said Dumoulin.

Dumoulin has felt the leader of Giant Alpecin. "The status I have already enforced in the squad, including the Vuelta." Next year the Olympic time trial will be the main goal for the 24-year-old Dumoulin. "We will perhaps a build a Grand Tour around that."

Team of friends

Dumoulin has a contract for one year but expects to stay at Giant-Alpecin. "I feel very much in the team. We are sort of friends who are going to ride together. We have fun together."

"Theres very little pressure coming from the management. There are other teams where riders may earn more, but which half of the year are unhappy because they do not perform and get angry mails from managers. Thats something I dont want to deal with."

 

[StannisBaratheon]

Dumoulin - winner of Giro 2016. Needs to train a little more for the climbs, that's it.

 

[gunara]

Re:

Translooted an interview he did today, looks like he sees his future with Giant.

Dumoulin: they will contract riders to support me

Team Giant-Alpecin will build a team to ride in big tours for the GC. Says Tom Dumoulin in The News BV NPO Radio 1. "The squad will attract riders to support me and Warren Barguil in the mountains."

"We will not focus purely on the sprint in the coming years. Of course we will continue to focus on there too, but we go for the championship. We're gonna make big steps there," said Dumoulin.

Dumoulin has felt the leader of Giant Alpecin. "The status I have already enforced in the squad, including the Vuelta." Next year the Olympic time trial will be the main goal for the 24-year-old Dumoulin. "We will perhaps a build a Grand Tour around that."

Team of friends

Dumoulin has a contract for one year but expects to stay at Giant-Alpecin. "I feel very much in the team. We are sort of friends who are going to ride together. We have fun together."

"Theres very little pressure coming from the management. There are other teams where riders may earn more, but which half of the year are unhappy because they do not perform and get angry mails from managers. Thats something I dont want to deal with."

I like this - I know some don't. Good guy
And lol about angry mail

 

[Finn84]

Dumoulin needs better support, but I guess he can't get eight preferred riders if he stays with Giant. I put a few notable GC rider/sprinter combos competing in TdF during the last decade. Something like that can be expected from that team in the future if Dumoulin is really targetting TdF.

Menchov/Freire @Rabobank
Evans/McEwen @Lotto
Kirchen/Cavendish @T-Mobile-Columbia
Sastre/Hushovd @Cervelo
Vandevelde/Farrar @Garmin
Cunego/Petacchi @Lampre
Wiggins/Cavendish @Sky
Nibali/Sagan @Liquigas
Contador/Sagan @Tinkoff

 

["Jeff"]

Dumoulin said today, Giant Alpecin is going to acquire more climbers to support him and Warren Barguil.

Good news of course, but I think its not that simple. That team is completely build for sprints and one day races. I assume, most have long term contracts, so I guess they need to increase the budget.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Very interesting piece about Dumoulin as GC rider:
http://teamgiantalpecin.com/tom-dumoulin-gc-development/

Also Giant contemplating sending him to the Giro instead of Tour next year

 

[Velolover2]

Which climbers do you think Giant should buy for him (and Barguil) next year? They need at least 2, maybe as many as 4.

 

[Kwibus]

The problem with any decent dutch climber is that they think they should be the GC man of a race. So they better not look for dutch mountain doms. Besides who would be good enough? There are a few, but they get their own chances at lotto-nl.

So it basically comes down to looking for spanish/italian riders as there are usually a lot of decent climbers. Still they should want one really good climber atleast with the risk of tha climber wanting to ride for himself.

 

[l.Harm]

Dumoulin needs better support, but I guess he can't get eight preferred riders if he stays with Giant. I put a few notable GC rider/sprinter combos competing in TdF during the last decade. Something like that can be expected from that team in the future if Dumoulin is really targetting TdF.

Menchov/Freire @Rabobank
Evans/McEwen @Lotto
Kirchen/Cavendish @T-Mobile-Columbia
Sastre/Hushovd @Cervelo
Vandevelde/Farrar @Garmin
Cunego/Petacchi @Lampre
Wiggins/Cavendish @Sky
Nibali/Sagan @Liquigas
Contador/Sagan @Tinkoff

And then you forget Ullrich/Zabel

Right after the altitude camp he started the Tour de Suisse, where he did not have top form but performed at a high level

No top form in TdS...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nope, and they also more or less said the idea was to have Dumoulin up in the TDF GC for as long as possible. Would've been interesting to see where he'd end up.

 

[Finn84]

And then you forget Ullrich/Zabel

I remembered that, but it was just outside that last decade timeframe. 2004 was the last time they were together in the Tour, since Zabel wasn't selected for the team in 2005.

 

[orangerider]

Re: Re:

Wouldn't write him off at this point. He's shown far better climbing ability than, say, Tejay. In fact, right as he is now is everything that Tejay should've been years ago as many had hoped to be.

Tejay's climbing shown in the Dauphiné is far better than what Dumoulin has shown so far, though doesn't have the consistency and TT power. Most of all, Dumoulin is a threat in the first week, which he would've aced this year if it weren't for that crash. Tejay hasn't shown any special talent compared to other GT men.

That's my point. Tejay isn't a grand tour contender yet that's all he focuses on. Does not have what it takes compared to where TD is NOW.

 

[Pippo_San]

Well what in the hell should Tejay specialize? He ain't no amazing TTer, ain't no amazing climber, not a one day racer at all. He can have a good go for a top 5 in a GT and that's that.

 

[Kwibus]

Edit: wanted to post a pic of the wattages Tom rode during some Vuelta stages here, but it's too big and im doing this from an Ipad so no tools to correct it. You can look up the picture from the url below.

Official data released by Dumoulin and Giant.
They only didnt want to release his TT data as his opposition in the TT could get too much valuable information from it.

Source:
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/5612/Vuelta-...-ontploffing-van-Dumoulin-in-cijfertjes.dhtml

On cumbre del Sol stage 9 he did 6,6kg/w effort over 11 minutes.

Apparently he didnt break his training numbers though.

 

[Afrank]

 

[elfed68]

Re: Re:

Wouldn't write him off at this point. He's shown far better climbing ability than, say, Tejay. In fact, right as he is now is everything that Tejay should've been years ago as many had hoped to be.

Tejay's climbing shown in the Dauphiné is far better than what Dumoulin has shown so far, though doesn't have the consistency and TT power. Most of all, Dumoulin is a threat in the first week, which he would've aced this year if it weren't for that crash. Tejay hasn't shown any special talent compared to other GT men.

That's my point. Tejay isn't a grand tour contender yet that's all he focuses on. Does not have what it takes compared to where TD is NOW.

He'll never be a GT contender, neither will Porte.

 

[jsem94]

TJ should focus on winning one-week races like Dauphine, Suisse.

 

[Kwibus]

Looking at the data there doesnt seem to be really strange stuff. Great performances, but those really high w/kgs were all rather short efforts.

 

[PremierAndrew]

If the figures are indeed accurate, then Dumoulin's performance would be believable, but you've also got to take into account what he was doing before and if there was a sudden jump in his performances. I'd really like to take a look at his figures from TdS before I reach a conclusion