Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[yaco]

Dumoulin needs the race miles in his legs and he must be a big chance to win the final ITT.

 

[Mayomaniac]

sadness

tbh, all the gc riders from that era have largely vanished in the space of no time. So it's likely true. I said it in 2018 it might have been his only chance to win the TDF

Meanwhile Bilbao has aged like wine, while the rest of his generation has aged like milk...

 

[ice&fire]

Meanwhile Bilbao has aged like wine, while the rest of his generation has aged like milk...

Bilbao is barely 4 months younger than Roglic

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Meanwhile Bilbao has aged like wine, while the rest of his generation has aged like milk...

well, Kelderman is also from the same generation as Dumoulin. He seems to have a reverse trajectory

 

[staubsauger]

It seems that Dumoulin slightly benefited that his peak came at a time where the then current generation started to slightly decline, while the new kids on the block weren't quite there.

Even though Bardet looks quite sharp again and Carapaz somehow is a late bloomer.

But for those you mentioned that were already around when Dumoulin had his first gc attempts at the 2015 Tour of Switzerland and Vuelta a Espana it certainly was the case in 2017 & 2018.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well first and foremost it's Dumoulin having too little hard racing between 2019 and 2022 I think. 2020 was decent but level was already starting to go. The 2021 break was the nail in the coffin, as far as GC readiness goes.

If he's willing I think he can still be a great TT-er/stage-hunter and perhaps even classics man.

 

[Breh]

well, Kelderman is also from the same generation as Dumoulin. He seems to have a reverse trajectory

Really?

Feels to me like he has had the same level for the past 7years. Incredibly consistent as he doesnt seem to get worse or better.

--------------------------------------------- that's kelderman to me. He's pretty good but he's just there.

 

[Rackham]

That was great racing from Dumoulin. Awesome stage!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525134685634199552

View: https://twitter.com/giroditalia/status/1525134685634199552

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yup encouraging stuff. Strengthens my thought that he just lacks race rythm. Even if he won't get back to GC heights again there is still a very good cyclist in him, even aside from time trials.

 

[yaco]

That's why he stays in the Giro - He still has plenty to offer.

 

[Red Rick]

The way he keeps coming back after being dropped, that's still just having a huge motor.

 

[Ripper]

+1000 ... great to see him getting in there

 

[Salvarani]

If he's willing I think he can still be a great TT-er/stage-hunter and perhaps even classics man.

Would love to see him try PR a few times before he retires.

 

[Rackham]

A bit like Pinot in the Tour of the Alps (when he lost a stage behind Lopez but got his 'feeling' back), I expect today will boost Dumoulin's morale really well.

He needed something like that, aka good day on the bike at the business end of a race.

 

[Lequack]

 

[Big Doopie]

It seems that Dumoulin slightly benefited that his peak came at a time where the then current generation started to slightly decline, while the new kids on the block weren't quite there.

however, perhaps more than anyone his GT ambitions have been thwarted by the recent GT routes that have largely eliminated TT.

Dumo might have been the dominant GT rider of his time if we still had 100+ kms of TT.

 

[Red Rick]

however, perhaps more than anyone his GT ambitions have been thwarted by the recent GT routes that have largely eliminated TT.

Dumo might have been the dominant GT rider of his time if we still had 100+ kms of TT.

Would have won more the brief window of time he made podiums in GTs. But in these days 0 or 100km of TTs it would still be a Pog vs Rog show.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Would have won more the brief window of time he made podiums in GTs. But in these days 0 or 100km of TTs it would still be a Pog vs Rog show.

The only thing Roglic is really superior to peak Dumoulin at (which we might never see again) is his punchy sprints. I think on his best day Dumoulin was a better TT'er and an equally good climber. So i think he would have had as much chance as Roglic to beat Pogacar. But where as Roglic has been rather consistent for the past 4 years, Dumoulin has not.

 

[Red Rick]

The only thing Roglic is really superior to peak Dumoulin at (which we might never see again) is his punchy sprints. I think on his best day Dumoulin was a better TT'er and an equally good climber. So i think he would have had as much chance as Roglic to beat Pogacar. But where as Roglic has been rather consistent for the past 4 years, Dumoulin has not.

Nah they're not the same level climbing wise. Even in his lone GT win Dumoulin got dropped in the mountains several times.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Was this Tom or Santa Claus today? Beautiful support. Almost to the point it's disturbing.

#FreeDumoulin

 

[CyclistAbi]

The only thing Roglic is really superior to peak Dumoulin at (which we might never see again) is his punchy sprints. I think on his best day Dumoulin was a better TT'er and an equally good climber. So i think he would have had as much chance as Roglic to beat Pogacar. But where as Roglic has been rather consistent for the past 4 years, Dumoulin has not.

The thing with Roglič is he is always underrated. Likely due to being a ski jumper. But once you start adding things up. GT hat-trick, second at the Tour, third at Giro (injured), monument winner, best week long stage racer, great one day racer, Olympic ITT champion, silver ITT word champion ... Mountain top finish sprints are just icing on the cake.

 

[Red Rick]

Roglic' pure climbing gets a bit underrated cause he realises everyone needs a little bit of ROGLstomp in their lives.

 

[Big Doopie]

Would have won more the brief window of time he made podiums in GTs. But in these days 0 or 100km of TTs it would still be a Pog vs Rog show.

2015-2019

Could have racked up a ton of wins.

been the big mig of those years easy.

I like Rog. Particularly his good sportsmanship and ability to shrug things off. Truly admirable. Talent-wise he gives me a cadel evans vibe. Really hardworking.

my 2 cents

 

[gregrowlerson]

2015-2019

Could have racked up a ton of wins.

been the big mig of those years easy.

I like Rog. Particularly his good sportsmanship and ability to shrug things off. Truly admirable. Talent-wise he gives me a cadel evans vibe. Really hardworking.

my 2 cents

No. I am an Australian and I say please don't compare him to Cadel.

And that's in defence of Roglic!

Last year's Vuelta multi mountain stage, with - and destroying - Bernal. Evans could never produce that level.

 

[Big Doopie]

No. I am an Australian and I say please don't compare him to Cadel.

And that's in defence of Roglic!

Last year's Vuelta multi mountain stage, with - and destroying - Bernal. Evans could never produce that level.

fair enough. U have a point.