Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[movingtarget]

Celebrity Dancing very soon...............

 

[Eviter]

He will sign with Sunweb, you guys are underestimating the fact the DS of Sunweb just basically fired Kittel and Degenkolb and wasted Barguil potential just to keep our Dogdancer. I think people are underestimating the fact that Dutch cycling is very popular here to the point grandpa's are getting their electric bikes hot-wired to drive 40 mph to drive on the road, and the Dutch cling for success, they will not let him be another Poels (boy the backslash Poels got when he destroyed the peloton for Froome)

Also you guys should let the dutchies here translate his twitter because he often reacts at some followers who ask him questions and participates in discussions with him. Maybe he'll dance some more.

 

[RedheadDane]

It was clear that Kittel was on his way out before anyone even had the thought that Dumoulin could be a potential GT contender.
As for Degenkolb: well, he might simply have decided that he wanted/needed to go somewhere else. Besides, Trek pretty obviously needed a new Classics man - having lost Cancellara to retirement - so they might have offered him a bigger contract than Sunweb.

Though, I do agree that there's no reason for Dumoulin to leave the team; I'm sure they'll be very happy to offer up some money to get helpers for a proven GT winner.

 

[gerundium]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/barguil-returns-from-fractured-pelvis-at-criterium-du-dauphine/

this article mentions Dumoulin will lead Sunweb in Suisse?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yes that's true. I don't expect much tbh.

 

[KGB]

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It's also a difference between Dutch and other people. Dutch ppl tend to be considered really blunt or rude by others because we are so direct.

I wouldn't even be offended here if somebody told me to '**** off'.

Fck off.
p.s. just testing if is works.

 

[BullsFan22]

My guess is that cycling, like a number of other sports in the Netherlands, has been pegged up a level or two, not just because of success in recent years, but because the national football team has been so pitiful since Brazil 2014. Didn't qualify for last year's Euro in France, and might not qualify for the World Cup in Russia next year. Yes, individual talents like Dumoulin, Kruijswijk, Mollema, etc that have had good success at the GT level in recent years is good for cycling, but so is Dafne Schippers for athletics, the speed skaters are still dominating...I actually had Kiki Bertens going far in this year's Roland Garros, but unfortunately she lost.

 

[RedheadDane]

BTW, that is some serious tan-line game he's going on in that picture!

 

[hfer07]

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Dumoulin is really guarded about his private life. Always has been.

but that's good, if he knows how to distinguish what the public should & shouldn't have access to his personal affairs- plus it is the best way to stay grounded & in touch with reality- not in some stardom fantasy sky where he's under scrutiny every time he wakes up.

 

[jaylew]

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It's also a difference between Dutch and other people. Dutch ppl tend to be considered really blunt or rude by others because we are so direct.

I wouldn't even be offended here if somebody told me to '**** off'.

Yeah, took me awhile to figure that out. You and a few other Dutch posters used to get me so upset back in the early days of this forum. Anyway, did you get out to the Maastricht celebration, DT?

It's also a difference between Dutch and other people. Dutch ppl tend to be considered really blunt or rude by others because we are so direct.

I wouldn't even be offended here if somebody told me to '**** off'.

I miss Ryo. He was fun sometimes.

Yeah, I kinda miss him too.

 

[May0maniac]

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Yes that's true. I don't expect much tbh.

Probably not, but it's nice to see that a big name who rode the Giro, this time even the winner, shows up at the Tour de Suisse.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin is really guarded about his private life. Always has been.

but that's good, if he knows how to distinguish what the public should & shouldn't have access to his personal affairs- plus it is the best way to stay grounded & in touch with reality- not in some stardom fantasy sky where he's under scrutiny every time he wakes up.

He looked really uncomfortable in Maastricht yesterday, he's not the kind of guy you put in front of big crowds..

Yes that's true. I don't expect much tbh.

Probably not, but it's nice to see that a big name who rode the Giro, this time even the winner, shows up at the Tour de Suisse.

Well it used to be normal. I remember back in the day all kind of Giro stars turned up in Suisse. Some of them still having the form. It'll be hit or miss. With Dumoulin I expect miss. I remember he had a horrible Dutch national time trial championships once because it was a week after a TdSuisse were he finished 5th. He was not recovered yet. So I don't expect him to be now.

 

[May0maniac]

Re: Re:

Dumoulin is really guarded about his private life. Always has been.

but that's good, if he knows how to distinguish what the public should & shouldn't have access to his personal affairs- plus it is the best way to stay grounded & in touch with reality- not in some stardom fantasy sky where he's under scrutiny every time he wakes up.

He looked really uncomfortable in Maastricht yesterday, he's not the kind of guy you put in front of big crowds..

Yes that's true. I don't expect much tbh.

Probably not, but it's nice to see that a big name who rode the Giro, this time even the winner, shows up at the Tour de Suisse.

Well it used to be normal. I remember back in the day all kind of Giro stars turned up in Suisse. Some of them still having the form. It'll be hit or miss. With Dumoulin I expect miss. I remember he had a horrible Dutch national time trial championships once because it was a week after a TdSuisse were he finished 5th. He was not recovered yet. So I don't expect him to be now.

You're probably right, just look at the WC ITT after the Vuelta. Still, it would be nice if more Giro stars would once again ride the Tour de Suisse.

 

[lartiste]

Mission for Tom for next year - New Hope to destroy Lord Froome

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

There are some buts and ifs. Dumoulin said in an interview with Telegraaf that he is prone to getting ill / problems with his stomach, in GT's. In the Vuelta he did actually get ill in the final week. In the Giro he said he was 'really close' to that (especially the days after 'the incident').

Then again. Froome and Quintana are also like that in a way. Quintana was ill again this Giro, and is bad against pollen. Froome has had his fair share of weak days in the 3rd week / almost ill, as well.

 

[lartiste]

There will be always buts and ifs, but the sport needs charismatic winner to beat Froome and it is not definitelly Quintana but Tom.

 

[Eviter]

He looked severely exhausted to the point of tired at the Hammer Series. He misses his dog lol.

Just let him rest until the Dutch Nationals, he can pick up both jerseys and gets to show them in Brussels (because the 2018 Dutch Nationals will probably be in Limburg, I don't expect him to lose them). That should be his biggest priority. Although the road race is a sprinters stage, I would give him confidence after his break, if not for the Vuelta I'd expect him in, then for the TT at the Worlds.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin confirmed he resigned with sunweb until the end of 2021.

 

[portugal11]

Dumoulin confirmed he resigned with sunweb until the end of 2021.

Very good. Now he just needs 3 climbers and one all rounder to help him. Next year I would like to see him again in giro.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kelderman is 1. They need a couple more indeed. They already have strong guys on the flat for the flat stages.
I wonder who's free though.

In general, I really have faith in Sunweb pulling this off. Just go look into their past projects:

-They had Kittel as a young rider, turned him from a time trial specialist (U23) into the worlds best sprinter as they recognized his potential was there, and gave him a fully dedicated train too.
-They had Degenkolb as main focus when Kittel left, a strong sprinter but suited for classics, gave him a full classics team to work with, and he won MSR and Roubaix...
-Now they have Dumoulin, who was a strong TT specialist with the ability to go uphill. When he showed potential in the Vuelta 2015 they made a plan. First for Rio, which only didn't succeed (gold) because his fall in the Tour and a immens Cancellara. Then they focus on his GT abilties with a full team behind him, and.. he wins the Giro.

Spekenbrink seems to know what he is doing. They have a high try/success ratio, a bit like Sky (albeit it took Sky longer in the classics) and a good talent scouting system.

 

[portugal11]

https://s21.postimg.org/pimg1f0br/IMG-20170523-_WA0004_1.jpg

 

[glassmoon]

Are there currently any strong climbing doms available on the market? Or some with ending contracts or desire to swap teams?

 

[May0maniac]

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Kelderman is 1. They need a couple more indeed. They already have strong guys on the flat for the flat stages.
I wonder who's free though.

In general, I really have faith in Sunweb pulling this off. Just go look into their past projects:

-They had Kittel as a young rider, turned him from a time trial specialist (U23) into the worlds best sprinter as they recognized his potential was there, and gave him a fully dedicated train too.
-They had Degenkolb as main focus when Kittel left, a strong sprinter but suited for classics, gave him a full classics team to work with, and he won MSR and Roubaix...
-Now they have Dumoulin, who was a strong TT specialist with the ability to go uphill. When he showed potential in the Vuelta 2015 they made a plan. First for Rio, which only didn't succeed (gold) because his fall in the Tour and a immens Cancellara. Then they focus on his GT abilties with a full team behind him, and.. he wins the Giro.

Spekenbrink seems to know what he is doing. They have a high try/success ratio, a bit like Sky (albeit it took Sky longer in the classics) and a good talent scouting system.

It's impressive, not to mention the world class sprint train that they had around Kittel.
They also have someone like Walscheid who has the numbers to be the next Kittel but will always struggle in a gt because of his size and weight.

 

[Red Rick]

https://www.telesport.nl/artikel/102504/wielersport/dumoulin-wie-doet-me-nog-wat

Nice Dutch interview with Dumoulin after the prologue.


He's in Suisse because it's a very nice race and because he usually holds up ok after a GT. Said the prologue wasn't suited to him at all, and said that if he'd been fresh he would've done similar. Said he might get in more trouble if the fatigue starts piling up later in the race.

Dumoulin is very relaxed though. He was asked if he felt pressure to perform here as a Giro champion, but he doesn't have a care in the world. Nobody is telling anything.

 

[alexix7]

Is Tom going on Vuelta for GC this year ?