Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[Bardamu]

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Because that was so terribly televised, we'll never know. He did get away in the last km though.

Dumoulin is probably the only rider who can compete in everything apart from races with no selection at all.

*cough* Valverde *cough*

If a race is barely selective, Valverde will always run into the better sprinter. Dumoulin isn't dependent on hills alone to make something happen, as his rouleur skills are good enough to damage on flat parts too.

Well you did say "compete", not win. Also Dumoulin literally has no sprint to count on and can only win solo, which becomes harder the less selective the course is.

even though it was uphill, his victories on Oropa and in the Vuelta were sprint victories

 

[frisenfruitig]

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Because that was so terribly televised, we'll never know. He did get away in the last km though.

Dumoulin is probably the only rider who can compete in everything apart from races with no selection at all.

*cough* Valverde *cough*

Well you did say "compete", not win. Also Dumoulin literally has no sprint to count on and can only win solo, which becomes harder the less selective the course is.

even though it was uphill, his victories on Oropa and in the Vuelta were sprint victories

Against other guys with no sprint, sure. He's nowhere near as explosive as Valverde or Kwiatkowski.

 

[memyselfandI]

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Dumoulin is probably next #1 GT star, but I really don't understand why he skips Vuelta as he needs 2nd GT to be competitive at the TdF next year ?

I don't understand the assertion that he needs a 2nd GT to be competitive next year?

To get out of the season on a high level. Of course there is risks by creating too much fatigue, risk of illness, crashes aso but. TD could likely tolerate the training load of Vuelta, take a nice recovery period then get back to a structured training again. Look at Froome, always trying to do Tour-Vuelta double. Training is racing is training for them too. It's hard to replicate GT fatique accumulation in training as these people are so trained already.

 

[Red Rick]

Well he is racing very big races, and targeting the Worlds TT. He won't rest for eons before next year.

 

[classicomano]

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Also Dumoulin literally has no sprint to count on and can only win solo.

 

[frisenfruitig]

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Also Dumoulin literally has no sprint to count on and can only win solo.

Oh my bad I'm sorry! He can also win against other guys who have no sprint!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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I think Valverde and Kwiatkowski are more versatile than Dumoulin, but he is certainly high up there.

I agree.
Dumoulin doens't have their sprint.

However, on cobbles he is better than Valverde, he already showed that in ENECO tours. I'm curious what he will do at the Binck Bank Tour this year

 

[memyselfandI]

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I think Valverde and Kwiatkowski are more versatile than Dumoulin, but he is certainly high up there.

I agree.
Dumoulin doens't have their sprint.

However, on cobbles he is better than Valverde, he already showed that in ENECO tours. I'm curious what he will do at the Binck Bank Tour this year

He must use the 20-30-50K sprint a la Fabulous Cancellara

 

[memyselfandI]

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Well he is racing very big races, and targeting the Worlds TT. He won't rest for eons before next year.

Yes it's possible to balance shorter races and training periods, but it doesn't mimic things as well as GT on every level. Many ways to skin the cat tough..

 

[hfer07]

So what's next for Big T?

 

[Red Rick]

So what's next for Big T?

I think it's CSS-Binck Banck Tour-Canadian WT races - Worlds.

 

[hfer07]

So what's next for Big T?

I think it's CSS-Binck Banck Tour-Canadian WT races - Worlds.

thanks.
very light schedule, considering his last race was Suisse..... maybe looking already at next year's calendar?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Well since he started doing specific training camps his programma has become lighter. Even until giro he only rode dubai, tirreno, strade bianchi and lbl

His efficiency per race day however is paying off:
http://prntscr.com/g04hyq

 

[memyselfandI]

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Well since he started doing specific training camps his programma has become lighter. Even until giro he only rode dubai, tirreno, strade bianchi and lbl

His efficiency per race day however is paying off:
http://prntscr.com/g04hyq

Well it depends on statistics..Points/100k (procyclingstats) some picks:

Career:

Froome 8.9
Dumoulin 6.3

2017:

Froome 15.5
Dumoulin 16.6

2016:

Froome 21.0
Dumoulin 10.4

 

[Bardamu]

Impressed by his performance today, hope he can maintain a high level for the rest of the season.

 

[Blanco]

I said he will hardly win any classic, but after today's performance, I take my word back. He could snitch one (or couple of them) eventually...

 

[Bardamu]

I don't think he will many due to his lack of sprinting qualities, but I do believe he is capable to win a wide variety of races. From GT's to classics like LBL and Lombardia, but also Flanders and Roubaix (if he focuses on it, which he might do in the future).

 

[Kwibus]

I think it's quite amazing he was up there with all those supercompensating tdf riders while it was just his first race after a long break and training period.

Being up there with that elite group was quite nice, but even better as it was his first race day.

 

[Netserk]

I know he was probably cooked, but it was weird to see him not go after he was away with Landa.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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I know he was probably cooked, but it was weird to see him not go after he was away with Landa.

He struggled to catch Landa and was completely gassed once he got up to him, that was pretty obvious.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Impressive to be with the TDF supercompensation rider as only non TDF rider in that lead group.

I think the Giro only made him stronger. I hope he will target LBL next to the Tour next year.

 

[ice&fire]

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Impressive to be with the TDF supercompensation rider as only non TDF rider in that lead group.

I think the Giro only made him stronger. I hope he will target LBL next to the Tour next year.

He's after Martin and Alaphilippe in the queue waiting for Valverde to retire

 

[Ruby United]

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Impressive to be with the TDF supercompensation rider as only non TDF rider in that lead group.

I think the Giro only made him stronger. I hope he will target LBL next to the Tour next year.

He's after Martin and Alaphilippe in the queue waiting for Valverde to retire

And Kwiat of course.
(Kwiat was the only rider in this years race who could have beaten Valverde. His positioning was simply horrible)

 

[JRanton]

I'm very disappointed that he isn't riding the Vuelta. If he's targeting next year's Tour then it seems far too long a time to go without having a grand tour in the legs (14 months).

 

[burning]

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Well since he started doing specific training camps his programma has become lighter. Even until giro he only rode dubai, tirreno, strade bianchi and lbl

His efficiency per race day however is paying off:
http://prntscr.com/g04hyq

This is usually pretty inaccurate as CQ only has top 20 riders for HC and below races (Tom has no missing days though). Also, Valverde is being insane as usual with no missing days.