Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[Hugo Koblet]

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According to De Telegraaf it seems Tom will go for a second Giro win. So no TDF

That's a bit surprising really. However, now that Froome likely won't be at the Giro but might turn up at the Tour, it does make some sense.

 

[Netserk]

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According to De Telegraaf it seems Tom will go for a second Giro win. So no TDF

That's a bit surprising really. However, now that Froome likely won't be at the Giro but might turn up at the Tour, it does make some sense.

That'll only really happen if he gets 9 months backdated, no? Any other length, or if it isn't backdated, means that he'll ride both or neither.

Even though the TT mileage is a joke, I think he can win the Tour and that he should ride it.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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According to De Telegraaf it seems Tom will go for a second Giro win. So no TDF

That's a bit surprising really. However, now that Froome likely won't be at the Giro but might turn up at the Tour, it does make some sense.

That'll only really happen if he gets 9 months backdated, no? Any other length, or if it isn't backdated, means that he'll ride both or neither.

Even though the TT mileage is a joke, I think he can win the Tour and that he should ride it.

Yes, I think that's the most likely outcome. I do agree with you that he should ride the Tour, though.

 

[Rollthedice]

Maybe he bets on Froome not riding the Giro, a relatively weaker field and trying to maximize his chances in comparison with Le Tour where everybody will go. Let's see how he copes with the mighty Zonc.

 

[Red Rick]

I really wonder what the reason for that decision would be. I really do. Maybe they know somehting about Dumoulin's strenghts and weaknesses that we don't

Maybe he really wants to win the Giro without Nibali or Quintana on the podium?

 

[brownbobby]

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Maybe he bets on Froome not riding the Giro, a relatively weaker field and trying to maximize his chances in comparison with Le Tour where everybody will go. Let's see how he copes with the mighty Zonc.

This whole Froome saga is likely causing chaos for all the other GT contenders. Admitted or not, most were plannning their seasons around what Froome was doing. Now they have no idea what he's doing

Even if Froome does escape any kind of sanction, it wont be settled for a while yet. Mentally, if nothing else, his preparation has got to suffer. It would be an amazing show of mental strength if it doesn't.

So i think we see a weaker Froome in any GT's he rides next season, whatever happens in the courts.

 

[Red Rick]

The only thing I can think of is he is either sceptical about himself on the cobbles, also received a load of money from Vegni, or if he's really looking at the WC.

 

[postpost]

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According to De Telegraaf it seems Tom will go for a second Giro win. So no TDF

That's a bit surprising really. However, now that Froome likely won't be at the Giro but might turn up at the Tour, it does make some sense.

don't think this has anything to do with it, since Froome is also not likely to start at the Tour.
I really thought he'd choose the Tour, it just feels like the natural new step for him.
I'm really curious, because it can't really be the route either.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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Maybe he bets on Froome not riding the Giro, a relatively weaker field and trying to maximize his chances in comparison with Le Tour where everybody will go. Let's see how he copes with the mighty Zonc.

Zoncolan won't be an issue, IMO, as it's the first halfway decent stage of the race. A fresh Dumoulin should do more than okay there.

 

[portugal11]

what the hell are you doing tom??? quintana in yellow will be a disgrace for cycling

 

[Eyeballs Out]

I would have thought that, all being well, he will start the Tour regardless of Giro result and see how it goes. With the TTT, Sunweb have a great chance of yellow

 

[yaco]

A bewildering decision - TDF has a mixed course and Dumoulin won the Eneco Tour in 2017 - Include the TTT ( Sunweb are world champions) and you have 60kms of TT - It's hard to fathom.

 

[postpost]

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A bewildering decision - TDF has a mixed course and Dumoulin won the Eneco Tour in 2017 - Include the TTT ( Sunweb are world champions) and you have 60kms of TT - It's hard to fathom.

this.

it's not that this TDF is that hard for him, especially since the Giro isn't made for him either.
I'm disappointed.

 

[movingtarget]

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what the hell are you doing tom??? quintana in yellow will be a disgrace for cycling

Quintana in Yellow, I wouldn't count on that as he has a habit of not living up to expectations. But if he is ever going to win a Tour, with Froome either missing the Tour or riding both races, this has to be the one. If he survives the first week of course but many riders won't be enjoying that part of the race. It wouldn't have worried Dumoulin. If Froome rides the Tour and the Giro the battle with Dumoulin, Landa and Aru should be very interesting. And maybe Chaves and Pinot will also turn up in good form.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I dont get it either. Sure he will be a relatively big favourite for the race, but I can't imagine him racing the Giro had this not come out about Froomey. A bit disappointing actually.

 

[brownbobby]

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I would have thought that, all being well, he will start the Tour regardless of Giro result and see how it goes. With the TTT, Sunweb have a great chance of yellow

I've heard a few commentors suggesting this means TD is going for the Giro/Tour double....surely not?

I read into it that he'll be doing Giro but no Tour....

 

[postpost]

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I dont get it either. Sure he will be a relatively big favourite for the race, but I can't imagine him racing the Giro had this not come out about Froomey. A bit disappointing actually.

why? the chance of Froomey not participating in the TDF is there as well, so even more reason to choose the TDF.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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I dont get it either. Sure he will be a relatively big favourite for the race, but I can't imagine him racing the Giro had this not come out about Froomey. A bit disappointing actually.

La Gazzetta already reported it well before the news about Froome came out:

Gazzetta is reporting Tom will ride the Giro. What do you guys think? I'm very skeptical.

I would have thought that, all being well, he will start the Tour regardless of Giro result and see how it goes. With the TTT, Sunweb have a great chance of yellow

I've heard a few commentors suggesting this means TD is going for the Giro/Tour double....surely not?

I read into it that he'll be doing Giro but no Tour....

Exactly. I think he much prefers to focus on Innsbruck instead.

 

[portugal11]

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I dont get it either. Sure he will be a relatively big favourite for the race, but I can't imagine him racing the Giro had this not come out about Froomey. A bit disappointing actually.

La Gazzetta already reported it well before the news about Froome came out:

Gazzetta is reporting Tom will ride the Giro. What do you guys think? I'm very skeptical.

I would have thought that, all being well, he will start the Tour regardless of Giro result and see how it goes. With the TTT, Sunweb have a great chance of yellow

I've heard a few commentors suggesting this means TD is going for the Giro/Tour double....surely not?

I read into it that he'll be doing Giro but no Tour....

Exactly. I think he much prefers to focus on Innsbruck instead.

that doesn't make sense... if we look to the last 5 riders to win the worlds, we can see that all of them raced the tour and skip the vuelta (in 2015, sagan abandoned the vuelta on stage 6 or 7, I don't remember very well). So the best chance to win in innsbruck, is focus on winning the tour, rest and prepare the worlds.

 

[Leinster]

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According to De Telegraaf it seems Tom will go for a second Giro win. So no TDF

Does the article specifically say no Tour for him? I can see him riding both. Maybe not 100% to win, though.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dumoulin-to-target-2018-giro-ditalia/

De Telegraaf journalist Raymond Kerckhoffs cited sources in Italy in his report, saying that both Team Sunweb and Dumoulin have confirmed with Giro d’Italia organiser RCS Sport that the Dutchman will be on the start line in Jerusalem, Israel on May 4.

Cyclingnews has since had confirmation that Dumoulin will indeed again target the Giro d'Italia in 2018.

I suppose he thinks he'll have more chance winning at the Giro - not keen on pavé? If Froome's a no-show, he should be favorite to win. (no mention of large sums of cash )

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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that doesn't make sense... if we look to the last 5 riders to win the worlds, we can see that all of them raced the tour and skip the vuelta (in 2015, sagan abandoned the vuelta on stage 6 or 7, I don't remember very well). So the best chance to win in innsbruck, is focus on winning the tour, rest and prepare the worlds.

Correlation does not imply causation. It just so happens that most top riders ride the Tour regardless, as it's by far the most important race.

 

[MADRAZO]

Stupid decision by Dumoulin. Surely if (and only if) Froome gets banned the Giro should be a easy win, but a extra Giro wont mean much for his palmares. And at the same time he will lose a great chance in the Tour, with a tired Froome or no Froome and a decent parcours for him. And the TDF means so much more than the Giro weather we like it or not, and this might have been his best chance to win it in many years.

 

[kiszol]

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Stupid decision by Dumoulin. Surely if (and only if) Froome gets banned the Giro should be a easy win, but a extra Giro wont mean much for his palmares. And at the same time he will lose a great chance in the Tour, with a tired Froome or no Froome and a decent parcours for him. And the TDF means so much more than the Giro weather we like it or not, and this might have been his best chance to win it in many years.

Perhaps he will try the double. Without Froome as an opponent it's not unachievable at all. As I think of it it wouldn't be a bad decision: a very likely Giro win followed by a Tour, where he starts as a superdomestique to Kelderman only to change roles with him if his form is good. If not, he still has a second Giro to his name and he can go to the Tour fully committed in 2019.

 

[Red Rick]

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Stupid decision by Dumoulin. Surely if (and only if) Froome gets banned the Giro should be a easy win, but a extra Giro wont mean much for his palmares. And at the same time he will lose a great chance in the Tour, with a tired Froome or no Froome and a decent parcours for him. And the TDF means so much more than the Giro weather we like it or not, and this might have been his best chance to win it in many years.

Perhaps he will try the double. Without Froome as an opponent it's not unachievable at all. As I think of it it wouldn't be a bad decision: a very likely Giro win followed by a Tour, where he starts as a superdomestique to Kelderman only to change roles with him if his form is good. If not, he still has a second Giro to his name and he can go to the Tour fully committed in 2019.

It's one or the other. Just like this year. Tom Dumoulin is not delusional enough to believe he could win both in a single year.

My best guess is that Vegni wanted to pay for a Froome-Dumoulin battle rather than just Froome alone, or Dumoulin really wants his shot at the rainbows in 2018