Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[Rollthedice]

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Yeah Nibali won all GT's + monuments like MSR and Lombardy.

Froome is more of a, sorry to say, 1 trick pony. His wins at GT's and stage races only. And he didn't even do a solid top 10 in a one day race that matters

Never mind solid top 10s, does he even have any top 10s in one day road races?

2007:
8th, Tour du Doubs (1.1)
2008:
3rd, Giro dell'Appennino (1.1)
2009:
4th, National Championships Great Britain R.R.
9th, GP Nobili Rubinetterie - Borgomanero (1.1)

As far as I can tell, none since then.

Then in 2011 he realized he sucks at one day races and decided to win the Tour de France.

 

[Blanco]

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Best doesn't equate to most succesful.

True. Which is why Sagan beyond doubt has been the best rider for the last many years.

If there's a rider around who, in the previous 4 years, has won 3 Tours, a Giro and a Vuelta, in addition to a couple of other GT podiums, by default, they're pretty much the world's best rider, almost regardless of the results of any other rider and how much they're disliked on this forum. That's pretty legendary form, almost for any era. Hell, just a few months ago, he held all GT titles simultaneously.

No, if there's a rider who won 3 WC, 2 Monuments, 3 big classics, EC, 3 Green Jersey's and a ton of other races.
And also a rider who won WC, 2 Monuments, 3 big classics, 3 big stage races, podium 2 GT's and also won ton of other races.
Seriously, Froome is maybe the best rider of the last 4-5 years, but Sagan and Valverde aren't that far from him. And I reckon that three are also the best riders currently.

 

[del1962]

A season full of 2nd places and a 4th place in the only one where a top 3 would have been a success. Very unlucky season for him but nonetheless he again established himself as one of the undoubtedly strongest cyclists of the year.

3rd in Worlds greater than 2nd at Tour? Not sure where that logic is from.

I remember podium of 2017 tour, can't remember who was 3rd behind Sagan at Worlds that year though.

 

[Robert5091]

Tour only GT for Tommy D? What we know about the Giro he'd be better there.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-dumoulin-to-target-tour-de-france-in-2019/

 

[del1962]

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Tour only GT for Tommy D? What we know about the Giro he'd be better there.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-dumoulin-to-target-tour-de-france-in-2019/

He is one of the best two Grand Tour GC guys at the moment, he has to target the Tour, I think he is the favourite.

 

[Red Rick]

A season full of 2nd places and a 4th place in the only one where a top 3 would have been a success. Very unlucky season for him but nonetheless he again established himself as one of the undoubtedly strongest cyclists of the year.

3rd in Worlds greater than 2nd at Tour? Not sure where that logic is from.

I have no idea how you come to that interpretation.

Tour only GT for Tommy D? What we know about the Giro he'd be better there.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tom-dumoulin-to-target-tour-de-france-in-2019/

This all based on the Dutch interview that's discussed on the previous page.

We can only guess what he means by his comment about the routes, cause from every rumor I've seen the Giro route will be pitch perfect for him while the Tour will be bad. Again.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Best doesn't equate to most succesful.

True. Which is why Sagan beyond doubt has been the best rider for the last many years.

If there's a rider around who, in the previous 4 years, has won 3 Tours, a Giro and a Vuelta, in addition to a couple of other GT podiums, by default, they're pretty much the world's best rider, almost regardless of the results of any other rider and how much they're disliked on this forum. That's pretty legendary form, almost for any era. Hell, just a few months ago, he held all GT titles simultaneously.

No, if there's a rider who won 3 WC, 2 Monuments, 3 big classics, EC, 3 Green Jersey's and a ton of other races.
And also a rider who won WC, 2 Monuments, 3 big classics, 3 big stage races, podium 2 GT's and also won ton of other races.
Seriously, Froome is maybe the best rider of the last 4-5 years, but Sagan and Valverde aren't that far from him. And I reckon that three are also the best riders currently.

Last five years? 2 GT and 3 Monuments plus another 2 GT podiums not bad either.

 

[del1962]

A season full of 2nd places and a 4th place in the only one where a top 3 would have been a success. Very unlucky season for him but nonetheless he again established himself as one of the undoubtedly strongest cyclists of the year.

3rd in Worlds greater than 2nd at Tour? Not sure where that logic is from.

I have no idea how you come to that interpretation.

The original post says the worlds RR is the only one where a top 3 is a success implying that top 3 achieved in the tour could not be considered a success

 

[Rollthedice]

Dumoulin to hold a press conference tomorrow.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Dumoulin to hold a press conference tomorrow.

Rumour has it he's going to BMCCCCCCCCCCC (/Giant).

 

[klintE]

"...Rumours are already ranging from transferring to a new team to announcing a positive doping control." - Susan Westemeyer on Twitter


My shot he's going to announce new team sponsor - antidiarrheals producer

 

[CTQ]

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Dumoulin to hold a press conference tomorrow.

Rumour has it he's going to BMCCCCCCCCCCC (/Giant).

last year, TEAM SUNWEB EXTENDS CONTRACT WITH TOM DUMOULIN UNTIL 2022, if it's true, it must cost Giant a lot of money

 

[Robert5091]

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"...Rumours are already ranging from transferring to a new team to announcing a positive doping control." - Susan Westemeyer on Twitter


My shot he's going to announce new team sponsor - antidiarrheals producer

The Chinese have brought him, maybe?
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...l-bigger-budget-team-sky-according-ceo-396690

New Chinese team will have a bigger budget than Team Sky, according to CEO

 

[dick the quick]

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Dumoulin to hold a press conference tomorrow.

Rumour has it he's going to BMCCCCCCCCCCC (/Giant).

last year, TEAM SUNWEB EXTENDS CONTRACT WITH TOM DUMOULIN UNTIL 2022, if it's true, it must cost Giant a lot of money

That seems to be extremely unlikely. When informing about ten Dam, Continuum Sports stated that "the 37-year-old will be the team’s sole Dutch rider" (from their official website).
https://www.bmc-switzerland.com/int...ing_wealth_of_experience_to_continuum_sports/

Also, Dumoulin is starring in that short promo video released some days ago presenting new Cervelo bike for Team Sunweb in 2019.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1046632672955650048

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Yeah, he's not moving anywhere. Plus the press conf was already announced a week ago. So it's not something big. Probably something like unveiling a new good cause or maybe something Cervelo TT bike related (HR attempt?)

 

[janraaskalt]

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Yeah, he's not moving anywhere. Plus the press conf was already announced a week ago. So it's not something big. Probably something like unveiling a new good cause or maybe something Cervelo TT bike related (HR attempt?)

At what time is the presser?

 

[samhocking]

4pm I think.

 

[janraaskalt]

Dumoulin starts a Tour de Dumoulin for local youth riders.

 

[kiszol]

The recently unveiled Olympic TT course seems perfect for Tom so I think he will do a 100% attempt at the Olympic Gold medal.

So probably no Tour in 2020, perhaps full Giro + Olympiad focus. This means that in 2019 he surely must try the Tour with no Giro before it.

 

[Red Rick]

I think Tour for GC + Olympics is definitely feasable if you take it easy in the first half of the year. There's pretty much no way the road to Tokyo doesn't go through France.

 

[Climbing]

There is no way you do Tokyo without Tour imho, even without GC focus you have to go in France.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Wiggins did it, so why not

 

[Valv.Piti]

You simply are not throwing away a TdF-chance for Tokyo in Dumoulin's position.

The maillot jaune >> Olympic gold

 

[Climbing]

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Wiggins did it, so why not

If he's interested exclusively in the ITT yes, possibly, otherwise nope.

 

[Red Rick]

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Wiggins did it, so why not

If he's interested exclusively in the ITT yes, possibly, otherwise nope.

That's the big question indeed. Tour for GC or all in on ORR+ OTT. Could maybe have pure classics season with Ardennes/Olympics and Worlds as main goals.