Tom 'Pidders' Pidcock

[Escarabajo]

He is not worth that money. Not for road racing. Not even close.

 

[Bolder]

He is not worth that money. Not for road racing. Not even close.

Not for road racing only, but even Ineos have got to be happy with an Olympic gold, especially the way he came back to win.

 

[pastronef]

Not for road racing only, but even Ineos have got to be happy with an Olympic gold, especially the way he came back to win.

2 Olympic golds in 4 years.

 

[yaco]

2 Olympic golds in 4 years.

He's not worth 4 milion pounds per year, however, some riders have a knack of being are overpaid. In effect he is being paid as if he is a Gt winner. Anyway, there will be demand for his services.

 

[Wyndbrook]

No one knows, but very unlikely Ineos pay him anything like the four million being thrown about by some websites.

 

[awavey]

Not for road racing only, but even Ineos have got to be happy with an Olympic gold, especially the way he came back to win.

There are sponsors of the team who are literally only there because of access to Pidcock. There aren't many riders who bring sponsorship into teams like that.

 

[awavey]

Perhaps not exclusively so. https://global.oup.com/academic/product/warriors-and-worriers-9780199972234

Women with those traits tend to get labelled bossy or difficult (see Vollering), men tend to get labelled for the same traits as driven or assertive (see MvdP)

 

[awavey]

The fact that Pidcock is one of the few male riders where you actually do hear these kind of stories probably means something, but yeah, other than his teammates and coaches, who really knows. Personally I like him in interviews, he makes an effort not to be boring. He even speaks a fair bit of Dutch out of respect for the Flemish cyclocross audience, which is unnecessary since they understand him anyway but does reflect positively on his character.

Yep maybe, maybe not I'm sure if he were rumoured to be paid a fraction of his assumed current wage, they'd all be best buddies with him and you'd never hear a bad word about him

 

[awavey]

He had a red bull helmet in 2018-19 cross I'm sure, a couple of years before signing for ineos. But yes I hadn't really thought about the ineos-mercedes /red bull F1 conflict.

I don't think it's an issue, despite Ineos being marginally involved in F1, F1 teams are used to these conflicts. It's Pidcocks personal sponsor they happily let him wear it with Ineos kit at his off road races, so it implies the absence in road mode is a lack of Red Bull paying for it. Since Ineos helmets are hardly covered in competing logos, or competing energy drinks.

We don't know his Red Bull deal details, which is Red Bull UKs, not Red Bull Belgium who do Van aerts deal or Red Bull Austria who do F1 and Bora, ever included pro level road racing, as it was setup when he was racing CX for Trinity back in 2020 and doing the UK national series and didnt even have a road contract.and I doubt Red Bull UK have the money in sponsorship to pay for WT riders levels.

 

[Bolder]

No one knows, but very unlikely Ineos pay him anything like the four million being thrown about by some websites.

I thought he was on about 2 million euros a year which is Mvdp money. That said I wish there was salary transparency in cycling. It would change the sport.

 

[Mina.S]

I thought he was on about 2 million euros a year which is Mvdp money. That said I wish there was salary transparency in cycling. It would change the sport.

He is probably being paid more than you think as, just like Mvdp, he supposedly has a very lucrative contract with Pinarello.

 

[Wyndbrook]

He is probably being paid more than you think as, just like Mvdp, he supposedly has a very lucrative contract with Pinarello.

I'm sure he does net far more than his Ineos salary, but just comes when you have a marketable value and a good agent.

 

[MJR]

So he's making too much money (to some) and the response is to deselect him from a big race that he'd be a favorite for? Make it make sense.

 

[stonerider]

Is his contract guaranteed or can Ineos just terminate and be done with him?

 

[awavey]

So he's making too much money (to some) and the response is to deselect him from a big race that he'd be a favorite for? Make it make sense.

The money part is why he gets a bad rep among gossiping riders/fans, because unlike L'Oréal they don't think he's worth it

the deselect thing is Ineos getting the hump about something unrelated to the actual bike racing parts, maybe his agent put in a transfer request or refused to clarify the position.

Apparently he was on the team bus travelling to the team hotel when the call came, if these very top lot at Ineos whoever they are, were that miffed at him, he'd never have been on the shortlist for the race to begin with.

It was a sudden decision and not one borne out of what was best for the team or it's partner sponsors.

 

[jmdirt]

I've heard that his entourage is problematic. Wiggins also said something about the people around TP in his interview so maybe there is something to that. To pull the plug so late is still strange though.

 

[xo 1]

The money part is why he gets a bad rep among gossiping riders/fans, because unlike L'Oréal they don't think he's worth it

the deselect thing is Ineos getting the hump about something unrelated to the actual bike racing parts, maybe his agent put in a transfer request or refused to clarify the position.

Apparently he was on the team bus travelling to the team hotel when the call came, if these very top lot at Ineos whoever they are, were that miffed at him, he'd never have been on the shortlist for the race to begin with.

It was a sudden decision and not one borne out of what was best for the team or it's partner sponsors.

Spot on. INEOS' handling of Pidcock over the past season has reinforced my concern that the team is not long for this world. They resemble the worst-run organizations in the world in any sport.

 

[pastronef]

Spot on. INEOS' handling of Pidcock over the past season has reinforced my concern that the team is not long for this world. They resemble the worst-run organization in the world in any sport.

Lotto-Dstny would like you to hold their beers (jokes aside, what is big with Ineos is their fall from high level to average team)

 

[danielovichdk2]

Some of their brits are wrong by nature. Tom is not good enough for competing on the top shelf. Let him go before he ruins the team

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

I want to see Pidcock back on the cross bike so he and Izerbyt can throw hands.

 

[awavey]

I've heard that his entourage is problematic. Wiggins also said something about the people around TP in his interview so maybe there is something to that. To pull the plug so late is still strange though.

Thomas has said the same thing, but without knowing who they mean exactly we're none the wiser

But you've got a team where Dan Bigham left who has made similar noises as Pidcock about things there. Luke Rowe leaving and did so by walking into Decathlons hotel during the TdF in front of IPT who were in the same hotel.

Ellingworth quit last year.

Maybe the problem isn't really Tom's people.

 

[Bolder]

Has to work both ways in this situation but only him and the team management know what went wrong. I'm guessing something was said that can't easily be taken back.

 

[magliaroz]

I've heard that his entourage is problematic. Wiggins also said something about the people around TP in his interview so maybe there is something to that. To pull the plug so late is still strange though.

If I remember correctly, Wiggins was always against Tom going to Ineos but Pidders didn't listen.

 

[proffate]

He's not worth 4 milion pounds per year, however, some riders have a knack of being are overpaid. In effect he is being paid as if he is a Gt winner. Anyway, there will be demand for his services.

What he's worth has to do with how many eyeballs he attracts, not how many races he wins. He's the most exciting British cyclist by a long shot (which is a large market, I believe), interviews well, and wins with style. He's worth a lot more than Geraint regardless of who has the higher level in grand tours.

 

[samhocking]

Spot on. INEOS' handling of Pidcock over the past season has reinforced my concern that the team is not long for this world. They resemble the worst-run organizations in the world in any sport.

Clashes are happening in all teams from time-to-time, some public, some just glimpsed on social media, some purely internal. Doesn't usually mean a team will end just because some people are not getting on, this is real life with real emotions flying.