Tommy D gets heckled

[mewmewmew13]

Personally, I feel someone's private life should be left that way.

What he has done to his wife is reprehensible and repulsive, no question, but I'd be the last person to heckle another for their actions that in no way affect me or mine.

I get someone heckling him as a pro cyclist if they are as well, but even then, you have to wonder what the point is. It doesn't achieve anything, and the person interviewed did not sound like it worked as therapy.

I agree with this...Except..TommyD has made it his choice to be in the limelight and enjoy his high profile as a pro cyclist..Grabbing podium girls while married isn't exactly discreet...so
My Point Was that *I* would heckle because of his blatant disrespect for rules of any kind...a bit too in-your-face for my respecting him.
Cheater.

 

[earfloss]

As good as the marketing campaign was for that race TD was such a rock star at, there's a real race in Spain happening.

I do wonder how much longer TD's career will go on since he's really only got a couple good weeks a year in him now.

 

[Walkman]

He deserves it. He doped. Cheated and spat in the face of clean athletes.

 

[Walkman]

Certainly Tommy has done some pretty lame stuff, but it is not like he poisoned kids

No, but he helped destroy the hopes and dreams of clean athletes by setting impossible standards which he only could do due to doping. He is as bad as Basso, Vino, Contador and all the others.

 

[Granville57]

He is as bad as Basso, Vino, Contador and all the others.

I'd say that's up for debate.

One thing there should be little argument about: He is not as "good" as Basso, Vino or Contador.

 

[The Hitch]

Give us a Fu&*ing break with that garbage. GFTO and tells us how/when Voigt has ever, or was accused, or mentioned as a doper besides your post?

Just read his interview with Benson. Its more conclusive proof than a positive test.

and that's before we go into looking at his team histories and friendships

 

[IzzyStradlin]

He is as bad as Basso, Vino, Contador and all the others.

I would argue that Tom's case is worse. The Euro guys probably didn't really have a future in the sport without dope. Saying no meant quitting. Or at least being abandoned by teams and coaches.

Vino had it WAY harder than Tommy ever has:
http://cozybeehive.blogspot.com/2010/07/quiet-goombah.html

The US scene was really pretty clean, except at the very top. You could definitely have a career clean. Plenty of guys did. Sure the pay is sh!tty, but that's bike racing.

Tom wanted to make everyone look stupid, and be a total d!ck and have everyone cheer him on. The next Lance!

 

[DirtyWorks]

Just read his interview with Benson. Its more conclusive proof than a positive test.

and that's before we go into looking at his team histories and friendships

Did you forget Jensie was the one who vigorously opposed back-dated testing?

 

[Walkman]

Did you forget Jensie was the one who vigorously opposed back-dated testing?

He was?

What was his reason for not wanting it?

 

[Archibald]

What was his reason for not wanting it?

because he's cleans and didn't like the idea of the testers wasting their time...

 

[Walkman]

because he's cleans and didn't like the idea of the testers wasting their time...

This is a joke, right?

Because he can not be that stupid, or can he?

 

[RedheadDane]

Honestly, I at least somewhat understand the heckler. Sport brings out the best and the worst in people. Guess you could even argue that his behaviour shows that he's very passionate about his beliefs.
However, I also somewhat understand Danielson's reaction; of course he got angry with that guy, besides; giving someone the finger isn't really that bad when you think about it, he could've gotten off his bike and physically attacked the guy, just to come with a rather extreme example.

It would probably be naive to think that heckling in pro sports can be completely eliminated; there'll always be some who haven't anything better to do than going to watch some sort of sport only to heckler the competitors. (Just like doping can't be completely eliminated; there'll always be some who'll stop at nothing for a chance of winning).
On the other hand; the notion which I've seen expressed several places that they (the pro-sport-people) are just going to have to accept it. They've chosen to become sports-people themselves. seem rather off to me. Sure, they've chosen to become professional athletes, but I'm pretty sure nobody ever choses a career with the thought that they might get heckled.
Also, where would that lead us? With that mindset people might as well say that someone has chosen to be a train conductor and is therefore free-game for hecklers.

 

[Enrico Gimondi]

Honestly, I at least somewhat understand the heckler. Sport brings out the best and the worst in people. Guess you could even argue that his behaviour shows that he's very passionate about his beliefs.

passionate about his beliefs? the heckler works with Chris Carmichael... how passionate can he be about those beliefs?

 

[westerner]

Its hardly as though doping protesters are anything new along the side of the road in pro cycling events. The athlete chose to dope and cheat first then came the heckler. Afraid it goes with the territory if one makes the choice to dope.

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is a joke, right?

Because he can not be that stupid, or can he?

Here: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1377710&postcount=171

I'm still digging up the Jensie moral outrage story from a while ago. I'll post it in Jensie's thread.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Just read his interview with Benson. Its more conclusive proof than a positive test.

and that's before we go into looking at his team histories and friendships

No surprise that Ziggy is defending another doper. If '14 model year Jens is clean then he is not only the most naturally talented rider in the pro ranks, but also the most gullible and easily fooled.

 

[Granville57]

...the most gullible and easily fooled.

Zigs, or Jens?

 

[thehook]

Tommy D Doped. He chose to. He made his path. He profited from it. He sold Lance down the river to save his own @55. He continues to profit (book deal, cycling camp, pro contract)

So he was heckled. He can just give all the $ back. Get a real job like the rest of us. Pay for all his bikes, gear, parts, apparel. Like the rest of us. Just ride your bike. And be thankful you still get paid to do it. Tommy can look in the mirror and know that he sold out another person to keep his cash rolling in. That is his choice. Boo Hoo Lance was a nasty to me! Get over it. You my friend are no better.

But please spare everyone the self righteous BS. You got heckled.......You might have deserved it?

 

[del1962]

Just read his interview with Benson. Its more conclusive proof than a positive test.

and that's before we go into looking at his team histories and friendships

Do you have a link to that interview, I would like to read it.

 

[Granville57]

Do you have a link to that interview, I would like to read it.

Q&A: Jens Voigt on his career, a final season, anti-doping and the 98 Tour samples
By: Daniel Benson Published: December 16, 2013,
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-jens-voigt-on-his-career-a-final-season-anti-doping-and-the-98-tour-samples

 

[del1962]

Q&A: Jens Voigt on his career, a final season, anti-doping and the 98 Tour samples
By: Daniel Benson Published: December 16, 2013,
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/q-and-a-jens-voigt-on-his-career-a-final-season-anti-doping-and-the-98-tour-samples

Thanks for the link, I remember reading it b4 now

 

[pmcg76]

Tommy D Doped. He chose to. He made his path. He profited from it. He sold Lance down the river to save his own @55. He continues to profit (book deal, cycling camp, pro contract)

So he was heckled. He can just give all the $ back. Get a real job like the rest of us. Pay for all his bikes, gear, parts, apparel. Like the rest of us. Just ride your bike. And be thankful you still get paid to do it. Tommy can look in the mirror and know that he sold out another person to keep his cash rolling in. That is his choice. Boo Hoo Lance was a nasty to me! Get over it. You my friend are no better.

But please spare everyone the self righteous BS. You got heckled.......You might have deserved it?

Whatever about Tom D doping, comparing him to Lance is just hyperbole. He is nowhere near as bad as Lance, very few are. Period. Making the choice to do something that most others were already doing is one thing, that would put him on a level with Lance. Pimping out cancer and bullying people amongst other BS puts Lance on another planet altogether. There are very few pro cyclists who will ever reach planet Lance.

You seemed more ****ed that Tom D sold out on Lance than the fact he was a doper. I guess the likes of Ekimov, Bruyneel et al appeal more to you.

 

[Granville57]

Whatever about Tom D doping, comparing him to Lance is just hyperbole.

As were the initial impressions of his career potential.

After a year of starting to learn the ropes, he signed with Discovery Channel, and was quickly put under the wing of Lance Armstrong himself, as the ‘great white hope’.

...he had the pressure and expectation of being “the next Lance Armstrong” soundly placed on his shoulders.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/jonathan-vaughters-on-the-enigmatic-tom-danielson-64053

Not his words, of course. Those of others. Still fun to look back on though.

 

[TexPat]

As were the initial impressions of his career potential.
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/jonathan-vaughters-on-the-enigmatic-tom-danielson-64053

Not his words, of course. Those of others. Still fun to look back on though.

Funny. I distinctly remembering Lance's comments about Danielson after he visited Austin, which were something along the lines of, " He'll never make it. His hips are too narrow".

Seriously. He said that. Then hired Tom for Discovery a while later.

My impression is that TD is no more talented then mr.gunderson. Both relied on PEDs to succeed.
I'd prefer that Danielson not be allowed to compete, and reckon he deserves the heckling.

Peace.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Narrow hips. Bad for child birth and pro cycling.