Tony Martin Bandwagon thread

[Libertine Seguros]

Tony: "I will proove my competetiveness!"

http://www.tonymartin.de/

Nice one Tony heading into Pais Vasco with great excpectations! Should be a good week!

If Tony Martin wins País Vasco, the guys that designed the parcours will be lynched. And deservedly so.

 

[El Pistolero]

Yeah, they are just finetuning now. Martin will lap the whole peloton on the champs elysées. Twice.

Only twice? Will you make the "Quick Step is in dissaray!!!" thread then?

 

[Red Rick]

If Tony Martin wins País Vasco, the guys that designed the parcours will be lynched. And deservedly so.

This, there are enough stage races that favour the TTers, País Vasco is a race with too much history to go down as one of those

 

[rghysens]

If Tony Martin wins País Vasco, the guys that designed the parcours will be lynched. And deservedly so.

Why wait for the tt? Do it now! Burn those witches.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Tony is back!!!

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

congratulations to Tony for winning Pais Vasco

And Libertine will have some lynching to do...

 

[iZnoGouD]

and Tour de France too!

 

[Zam_Olyas]

and Tour de France too!

TDF will be a bit difficult but pais vasco for sure and its a shame.

 

[jens_attacks]

kudos to panzerwagen.andy needs to up his game yet again now with tony martin a climber.and not just a climber because he was always decent in the short ones but i think this july he will be in wiggins 09 mode

 

[karlboss]

Tony did well today, though the climb isn't the toughest in the world. I'll be interested to see how he finishes stage 4.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Tony Martin winning the GC of the tour of the climbers

 

[Gloin22]

Tony Martin winning the GC of the tour of the climbers

Hilly specialists riders more like

 

[Bavarianrider]

If Tony wins Pais Vasco he has a serious shot on the Pais Vasco, Olympic TT Goald medal double. Quiet impressive, considering that these are two totally different type of races. Don't think anyone would ever copy that.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Tony Martin winning the GC of the tour of the climbers

This edition is not a tour for the climbers at all.

It is an embarrassment of an edition, and should be erased from the history of the race, never spoken of again, only in hushed tones by those who are on the run from justice.

 

[theyoungest]

If Tony wins Pais Vasco he has a serious shot on the Pais Vasco, Olympic TT Goald medal double. Quiet impressive, considering that these are two totally different type of races. Don't think anyone would ever copy that.

Cancellara won Tirreno and the Olympic TT in the same year. Which was more impressive, as that Tirreno included the Montelupone.

 

[Bavarianrider]

This edition is not a tour for the climbers at all.

It is an embarrassment of an edition, and should be erased from the history of the race, never spoken of again, only in hushed tones by those who are on the run from justice.

Yeah whenever Tony wins something the route is an embaressement.

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah whenever Tony wins something the route is an embaressement.

Libertine likes serious climbing. Tony can win if there isn't any serious climbing. Hence Libertine doesn't like the courses where Tony can win.

 

[Forunculo]

Has TdF serious climbs this year? Except stage 7 the rest Mt finish are soft in terms of gradients.

The problem will be a massive attack in those stage with many climbs in a row. Are Andy and RSNT ready to made massive moves 2 or 3 stages?

Because in the last 3 years I only remember one great day from Andy in each Tour.

IMO a top 5 could be a fair goal for Tony.

 

[spalco]

If Tony wins Pais Vasco he has a serious shot on the Pais Vasco, Olympic TT Goald medal double. Quiet impressive, considering that these are two totally different type of races. Don't think anyone would ever copy that.

lol, "double"? Is that a thing, the Pais Vasco-Olympic TT "double"?

You might as well pick any other two random races and call it a double.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yeah whenever Tony wins something the route is an embaressement.

If Tony won a route suited to the race, the route wouldn't be an embarrassment. There are plenty of races whose traditional routes would seem to give Tony a good chance; a Dauphiné (he has an even better chance than normal this year, thanks to the stupid flat route), Tirreno-Adriatico, Romandie, or Catalunya could put out a pretty good route, but one that Tony could win.

However, the race route of Paris-Nice last year was weak, with far too much TT mileage for the meagre climbing it had, so it was unbalanced. Tony could feasibly win a good Paris-Nice route, but the route of the one he won wasn't good. The route of País Vasco... well. I don't know if you've ever looked at a terrain map of País Vasco, but if you do, you will see why ANY route of País Vasco that can be won by Tony Martin is an embarrassment.

 

[screaming fist]

I'm super excited! Tony might even win the out-of-this-universe German national TT champ and Olympic silver medal double!

 

[Bavarianrider]

Just checked.
2009 edition was just as flat at this year's for example.
So by no means is this year an exeptional flat course

 

[Libertine Seguros]

2009:

Stage 1:
Climb of 1,3km @ 10,6% topping out less than 4km from the finish

Stage 2:
Fairly similar to this year's stages, final climb 23km from finish.

Stage 3:
Same finish as this year on Arrate.

Stage 4:
Long flat finish, similar to this year.

Stage 5:
Climb of 4km @ 5,9% cresting 9km from finish

Stage 6:
ITT

So this year, 700m of steep stuff on the end of flat replaces a steep climb off the back of a number of other climbs and descent finish, and a pretty decent intermediate stage.

2009 wasn't super-mountainous or anything, but it was better than this crapfest.

 

[Bavarianrider]

2009:

Stage 1:
Climb of 1,3km @ 10,6% topping out less than 4km from the finish

Stage 2:
Fairly similar to this year's stages, final climb 23km from finish.

Stage 3:
Same finish as this year on Arrate.

Stage 4:
Long flat finish, similar to this year.

Stage 5:
Climb of 4km @ 5,9% cresting 9km from finish

Stage 6:
ITT

So this year, 700m of steep stuff on the end of flat replaces a steep climb off the back of a number of other climbs and descent finish, and a pretty decent intermediate stage.

2009 wasn't super-mountainous or anything, but it was better than this crapfest.

Well checking the results Eibar was the only real selection in 2009. So how as it better than this year?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Well checking the results Eibar was the only real selection in 2009. So how as it better than this year?

By having places that COULD cause a selection, even if they didn't.

Edit: you don't think Lazkaomendi was selective?
Stage 1: 22 people at winner's time, 2 at 12", 4 at 40", 14 at 42", another 25-30 at 1'27"...

This year's stage 1: 105 riders at winner's time.

They didn't even use the Beci climb they used in the Güeñes-Zalla stage in 2009 to make things more interesting.

They could also have put this - it would have topped out about 10-12 from the line: