Tony Martin Bandwagon thread

[TeoSheva]

By the way Tony said he's considering to take a shot at the Vuelta GC

what about Eneco tour? I hope he will be there.
And maybe a tour of britain should suits him much better than the Vuelta

 

[Libertine Seguros]

By the way Tony said he's considering to take a shot at the Vuelta GC

Sierra Nevada may not kill him. He shouldn't lose more on La Covatilla (given that it's the only climb of the day) than he can gain back in the Salamanca ITT. He may lose a bit of time in the short steep pitches of Valdepeñas de Jaén and San Lorenzo de El Escorial. La Manzaneda is 29km @ 5,1%. The low gradient may give him a chance, but the length is going to be a real struggle for him; it's comparable to the Alto da Torre or the Col du Galibier, though at lower altitude which may be in his favour.

Once we get to Lagos de Somiedo, Angliru and Peña Cabarga, the chances of Martin being up there are slim.

 

[El Pistolero]

Oh, come on Tony can't climb. Let's not start the hype again please.

 

[hrotha]

At least he could have done a lot better.

Perhaps, but allow me to put forward an alternative theory: he couldn't.

 

[Cobblestoned]

At least he could have done a lot better.

Yeah, agree.
Even the most pessimistic and ignoring guy must have seen that even Tony was underperforming, when the first big mountain came.
And there were many reasons for that. But who cares when its about Tony Martin.

Interesting to see all those guys here, who normally know and recognize every fart in cycling and news+state about any rider, just trashing Tony and keeping on with their mission and playing the stupid guys.
When its about their favorite rider they show up with any possible facts, numbers and excuses.

On days like yesterday you can sort out the hypocrits around here very easily, who even miss out to just shut up in the right moment.
Not even starting about congratulating or respecting this young man's achievement.
Greatness would be required for this.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Perhaps, but allow me to put forward an alternative theory: he couldn't.

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"Tony Martin Bandwagon thread" is perfect refuge for such guys who need satisfaction.
It's like a dry and warm place under the bridge of a big Autobahn.
The bandwagons keep on patroling ON the Autobahn. Sometimes they stop, so that the supporters can pee under the bridge.

What is your favorite rider or team ?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Tony confirmed he'll have a go at the Vuelta!

 

[Anonymous]

Come on you Tony

 

[Havetts]

Heres one hoping that Tony doesnt have to pull for 2 km in the sprinterstrain...

 

[greenedge]

Back to next year for tony

 

[hrotha]

I know Dicker_Tifuzzi keeps bitterly running on through all threads and bashing all possible riders, to compensate his own and the big Rabo- and Gesink-fail.
Thats also a way to satisfy yourself.
"Tony Martin Bandwagon thread" is perfect refuge for such guys who need satisfaction.
It's like a dry and warm place under the bridge of a big Autobahn.
The bandwagons keep on patroling ON the Autobahn. Sometimes they stop, so that the supporters can pee under the bridge.

What is your favorite rider or team ?

Hello, I'm not D_T?

I'm not bashing Martin. I like him, he's a world class rider - for one-week races. He can't handle the high mountains, as has been proven the last three years. I think that's enough to reach a reasonable conclusion by now.

The notion of having a favourite team is weird to me. Some of my favourite riders are Van Avermaet, Bole, Gesink, Van den Broeck, Madrazo and Danielson. You probably didn't know because I don't bring them up all the time (well, except for Madrazo, but that's mostly a joke).

 

[Bavarianrider]

Tony said he won't have a go for the Tour GC in 2012 and 2013

 

[Parrulo]

Tony said he won't have a go for the Tour GC in 2012 and 2013

why the sad face? after this years tour do you actually believe he has any chance? lol

 

[Machu Picchu]

why the sad face? after this years tour do you actually believe he has any chance? lol

It would be nice to see how well he could do though without wasting himself as part of a sprint train, still not a serious contender by any means.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Cause a Tour without somebody to cheer and hope for is simply awful
I fear that all the haters have made Tony belief he can't compete in the GC. I hope he changes his mind. The haters should not have the last word

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I think it's Tony himself who is convinced he can't do a good GC after he tried and failed this year.
If 'haters' (as you call anyone who doesn't believe Martin is a GC contender) had that kind of influence then Lance Armstrong never would have won 7 tours.

By the way, why do you think people are haters when they don't believe in Martins GC chances? Even if they think he is TT monster and very good 1-week stage-race rider?
You classify everyone who says "Martin can't climb" as hater. Even if they are not.

You are so incredibly shortsighted it's unbelievable.

 

[Parrulo]

is a tour spent on cheering for some1 who will disappoint as soon as the stage goes up a bit any better?

btw the train excuse doesn't really fly.

19. VELITS Peter 179 HTC - HIGHROAD 86h 41' 16" + 28' 54"

44. MARTIN Tony 175 HTC - HIGHROAD 87h 43' 18" + 1h 30' 56"

 

[Bavarianrider]

I think it's Tony himself who is convinced he can't do a good GC after he tried and failed this year.
If 'haters' (as you call anyone who doesn't believe Martin is a GC contender) had that kind of influence then Lance Armstrong never would have won 7 tours.

By the way, why do you think people are haters when they don't believe in Martins GC chances? Even if they think he is TT monster and very good 1-week stage-race rider?
You classify everyone who says "Martin can't climb" as hater. Even if they are not.

You are so incredibly shortsighted it's unbelievable.

 

[LaFleur]

is a tour spent on cheering for some1 who will disappoint as soon as the stage goes up a bit any better?

btw the train excuse doesn't really fly.

19. VELITS Peter 179 HTC - HIGHROAD 86h 41' 16" + 28' 54"

44. MARTIN Tony 175 HTC - HIGHROAD 87h 43' 18" + 1h 30' 56"

Well Martin spent a few last days in the grupetto to prepare for the time trial so this example doesn't really fly either.. (not that I'm a fan of Martin's climbing, hell no.)

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Bavarianrider, why can't you respond my questions?

You only post a picture because you don't know what to say anymore?
Answer me, I repeat:

By the way, why do you think people are haters when they don't believe in Martins GC chances? Even if they think he is TT monster and very good 1-week stage-race rider?
You classify everyone who says "Martin can't climb" as hater. Even if they are not.

You are so incredibly shortsighted it's unbelievable.

 

[Swabian Lass]

To be fair it's difficult to be a fan of Martin's climbing. That said, I'd still like to see what he can do in a GC where he doesn't have to be part of a sprint train. Must have some impact.

 

[Parrulo]

Well Martin spent a few last days in the grupetto to prepare for the time trial so this example doesn't really fly either.. (not that I'm a fan of Martin's climbing, hell no.)

there is a reason why he decided to spend the last days in the gruppetto. lets not forget he got dropped on the first half of the tourmalet. velits lost a ton of time on that stage due to having a fall and 2 mechanics on the way to the tourmalet but still did a very impressive stage arriving nearly 5 minutes faster then martin.

btw i am not a martin hater and was happy that he won the ITT i just don't think he is a climber of any type.

 

[Machu Picchu]

btw the train excuse doesn't really fly.

19. VELITS Peter 179 HTC - HIGHROAD 86h 41' 16" + 28' 54"

44. MARTIN Tony 175 HTC - HIGHROAD 87h 43' 18" + 1h 30' 56"

and this shows what?_?

TM did a tremendous amount of work on stages in which he should have been 'resting' there can be no doubt that this would affect a riders performance.

 

[Parrulo]

wasn't velits also a part of the HTC train?

i remember seeing him pulling a lot of times(everytime HTC formed their train so every flat stage) just ahead of martin in terms of train placing . . .

btw ofc martin did more work then velits after failing miserably on the tourmalet stage even tho he had no bad luck affecting him unlike velits. thats the price that comes with failing miserably.

 

[Machu Picchu]

wasn't velits also a part of the HTC train?

i remember seeing him pulling a lot of times(everytime HTC formed their train so every flat stage) just ahead of martin in terms of train placing . . .

btw ofc martin did more work then velits after failing miserably on the tourmalet stage even tho he had no bad luck affecting him unlike velits. thats the price that comes with failing miserably.

So don't you think then that the more logical explanation would be that Velits also suffered from being used in the train and therefore the 'excuse' is actually a valid reason as to why they struggled?_?