Top 10 male riders of the 21st century.

[Echoes]

No he should be nowhere. He shouldn't even be mentioned in this section of the forum.

 

[May0maniac]

Any list that doesn't include Valverde or that puts riders like simoni, cunego, petacchi, cippolini, etc is a biased list.

Valverde should be in the top 5 of any list.

No, he shouldn't, he's one of the best but he lacks big wins. You won't find 5 riders that have collected more pdium spots in the same time, but you can find 5 riders that have won more.
Contador, Armstrong, Cancellare, Boonen and Bettini are in the top 5, Nibali should be higher on the list than Valverde, Vino also should get a higher spot on that list and maybe even Cunego if we just look at wins.

 

[Netserk]

Any list that doesn't include Valverde or that puts riders like simoni, cunego, petacchi, cippolini, etc is a biased list.

Valverde should be in the top 5 of any list.

Cunego has won a better GT and more monuments. That and he has a way better racing style. Vino is also way ahead of Valverde, especially because of the way he raced, but by results alone too.

 

[Bumeington]

1. Contador
2. Cancellara
3. Bettini
4. Boonen
5. Nibali
6. Valverde
7. Evans
8. Vinokourov
9. Freire
10. Gilbert

 

[King Boonen]

No he should be nowhere. He shouldn't even be mentioned in this section of the forum.

+ about 40 billion.

 

[nobilis]

No he should be nowhere. He shouldn't even be mentioned in this section of the forum.

and why is that??
as opposed to vino, rebellin, armstrong, cunego, ullrich, basso, contador...
o we just used double standards when it suits us.

 

[Echoes]

So when did I name those riders... Never any double standard for me. It's not because those are in the same bag, that Piti can get any excuse.

Besides, I don't see any rock solid evidence against Cunego at this point in time but perhaps I missed something.

 

[Netserk]

So when did I name those riders... Never any double standard for me.

How is having Canc there not double standards?

 

[nobilis]

So when did I name those riders... Never any double standard for me. It's not because those are in the same bag, that Piti can get any excuse.

Besides, I don't see any rock solid evidence against Cunego at this point in time but perhaps I missed something.

I wasn't pointing out at your pick in particular.

 

[The Hitch]

How is having Canc there not double standards?

Becuause Canc does cobbles init. Its ok for cobbles riders to dope just not for gt riders to dope and anyone who doesn't understand this is just ignorant of history and cycling and hasn't been paying attention to echoes posts where he "proved" this was the case by saying it

Its like how echoes had kim andersen on his greatest danish riders list but not Riis. It was ok for andersen to dope. he did classics. But riis did gts which only plebs watch. Criminal.

 

[Echoes]

Since when does an allegation by Hamilton become an established fact?

When there's real evidence against Cancellara, I'll be the first to say he's worth zero. No free pass. Until then, he's the best.

 

[Carols]

Since when does an allegation by Hamilton become an established fact?

Since when has doping become acceptable discussion is PRR????

 

[Echoes]

You are all getting pretty boring.

That question should be asked to my contradictors, right? I clearly claimed that ValvPiti should not be mentioned here for reasons that I am not entitled to give. I know the rules of this forum. Then, contradictors started annoying me and referring to it. The offence is their's. Too easy to accuse me.

 

[Panda Claws]

IMO Chavanel is a very talented rider. He should have won a lot more.
He rides to aggressive and attacks way to early.

Why not Stybar he could win PR. He's not had much luck and you do need a bit of fortune.

Sagan has earned his place IMO. Very talented but like Chavanel his tactics are not always the best.

So being able to win a race one or two years makes you better than a whole bunch of people who actually won such races?

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Agree with this list (not same order)

The order didn't mean anything

How is Purito ahead of Cunego and Vino?

They are close, but Rodriguez is more consistent and versatile than those two. He has won WT/PT/whatever classification 3 times and podiumed an other time, won more races in general, and podiumed more GTs

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

So I tried a pseudo scientific approach: I analysed the CQ rankings of 2001-2014, and looked at the total score for each rider (I only used the top 100 of each year!)
(a lot of methodological remarks should be made here, but I believe it is a nice starting point for a less biased view).

This is the top 25:
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21692
2 EVANS Cadel 15614
3 BOONEN Tom 15557
4 REBELLIN Davide 15416
5 GILBERT Philippe 15095
6 CANCELLARA Fabian 14696
7 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 14029
8 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 14002
9 ZABEL Erik 13357
10 NIBALI Vincenzo 13325
11 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13205
12 BETTINI Paolo 12299
13 CUNEGO Damiano 12240
14 FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 12037
15 PETACCHI Alessandro 11381
16 MCEWEN Robbie 11078
17 DI LUCA Danilo 10112
18 HUSHOVD Thor 10030
19 CHAVANEL Sylvain 9985
20 CAVENDISH Mark 9932
21 BASSO Ivan 9816
22 LEIPHEIMER Levi 9813
23 GREIPEL André 9605
24 VINOKOUROV Alexandre 9224
25 ARMSTRONG Lance 9096

 

[raddone]

So I tried a pseudo scientific approach: I analysed the CQ rankings of 2001-2014, and looked at the total score for each rider
(a lot of methodological remarks should be made here, but I believe it is a nice starting point for a less biased view).

This is the top 25:
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21692
2 EVANS Cadel 15614
3 BOONEN Tom 15557
4 REBELLIN Davide 15416
5 GILBERT Philippe 15095
6 CANCELLARA Fabian 14696
7 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 14029
8 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 14002
9 ZABEL Erik 13357
10 NIBALI Vincenzo 13325
11 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13205
12 BETTINI Paolo 12299
13 CUNEGO Damiano 12240
14 FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 12037
15 PETACCHI Alessandro 11381
16 MCEWEN Robbie 11078
17 DI LUCA Danilo 10112
18 HUSHOVD Thor 10030
19 CHAVANEL Sylvain 9985
20 CAVENDISH Mark 9932
21 BASSO Ivan 9816
22 LEIPHEIMER Levi 9813
23 GREIPEL André 9605
24 VINOKOUROV Alexandre 9224
25 ARMSTRONG Lance 9096

Damm, I was going to waste 2 hours of my life doing this.
Looking at it, it makes one wonder. No one would have piked the trio at the front.

 

[Jancouver]

So I tried a pseudo scientific approach: I analysed the CQ rankings of 2001-2014, and looked at the total score for each rider
(a lot of methodological remarks should be made here, but I believe it is a nice starting point for a less biased view).

This is the top 25:
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21692
2 EVANS Cadel 15614
3 BOONEN Tom 15557
4 REBELLIN Davide 15416
5 GILBERT Philippe 15095
6 CANCELLARA Fabian 14696
7 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 14029
8 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 14002
9 ZABEL Erik 13357
10 NIBALI Vincenzo 13325
11 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13205
12 BETTINI Paolo 12299
13 CUNEGO Damiano 12240
14 FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 12037
15 PETACCHI Alessandro 11381
16 MCEWEN Robbie 11078
17 DI LUCA Danilo 10112
18 HUSHOVD Thor 10030
19 CHAVANEL Sylvain 9985
20 CAVENDISH Mark 9932
21 BASSO Ivan 9816
22 LEIPHEIMER Levi 9813
23 GREIPEL André 9605
24 VINOKOUROV Alexandre 9224
25 ARMSTRONG Lance 9096

Great work. Can you also include results from 2000? 2000 is 21st century IMO?

 

[Tank Engine]

well I'm among those who start the century in 2001. I think that rider does not belong here for reasons I'm not entitled to say but I was a Van Hooydonck fan.

And I guess you noticed that the second part of my list was a joke.

I agree that the century starts in 2001, I was just asking "if we start in 2000". I now have an answer.

Obviously, I took the second half of your list entirely seriously

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Great work. Can you also include results from 2000? 2000 is 21st century IMO?

I don't really agree, but here it is:
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21692
2 REBELLIN Davide 16943
3 EVANS Cadel 15614
4 BOONEN Tom 15557
5 ZABEL Erik 15308
6 GILBERT Philippe 15095
7 CANCELLARA Fabian 14696
8 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 14029
9 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 14002
10 BETTINI Paolo 13590
11 NIBALI Vincenzo 13325
12 FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 13300
13 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13205
14 CUNEGO Damiano 12240
15 PETACCHI Alessandro 12103
16 MCEWEN Robbie 11078
17 ARMSTRONG Lance 10990
18 DI LUCA Danilo 10786
19 VINOKOUROV Alexandre 10074
20 HUSHOVD Thor 10030
21 CHAVANEL Sylvain 9985
22 CAVENDISH Mark 9932
23 BASSO Ivan 9816
24 LEIPHEIMER Levi 9813
25 VOIGT Jens 9729

 

[Dazed and Confused]

So I tried a pseudo scientific approach: I analysed the CQ rankings of 2001-2014, and looked at the total score for each rider
(a lot of methodological remarks should be made here, but I believe it is a nice starting point for a less biased view).

This is the top 25:
1 VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 21692
2 EVANS Cadel 15614
3 BOONEN Tom 15557
4 REBELLIN Davide 15416
5 GILBERT Philippe 15095
6 CANCELLARA Fabian 14696
7 CONTADOR VELASCO Alberto 14029
8 RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquim 14002
9 ZABEL Erik 13357
10 NIBALI Vincenzo 13325
11 SANCHEZ GONZALEZ Samuel 13205
12 BETTINI Paolo 12299
13 CUNEGO Damiano 12240
14 FREIRE GOMEZ Oscar 12037
15 PETACCHI Alessandro 11381
16 MCEWEN Robbie 11078
17 DI LUCA Danilo 10112
18 HUSHOVD Thor 10030
19 CHAVANEL Sylvain 9985
20 CAVENDISH Mark 9932
21 BASSO Ivan 9816
22 LEIPHEIMER Levi 9813
23 GREIPEL André 9605
24 VINOKOUROV Alexandre 9224
25 ARMSTRONG Lance 9096

I knew Bottle would be the top US rider...

Anyway I think most ranking systems offers too many points for placements in general, CQ included. Good for games, but sports are really about winning the big events etc. All imo.

 

[Afrank]

Since when has doping become acceptable discussion is PRR????

Correct, please keep clinic talk in the clinic everyone. Every rider is fair game to be discussed from a racing aspect here.

 

[Netserk]

They are close, but Rodriguez is more consistent and versatile than those two. He has won WT/PT/whatever classification 3 times and podiumed an other time, won more races in general, and podiumed more GTs

Purito has three podiums. 2nd in the Giro and a 3rd place in the other two. Vino has also podiumed the Tour (but was actually in contention for the win) and has won the Vuelta. I fail to see how two podiums are better than one win. I very much doubt he has won more races in general than Vino. I also rate two Liege over two Lombardia, and ofc an OGRR gold over any number of meaningless PT classifications.

 

[Jspear]

Purito has three podiums. 2nd in the Giro and a 3rd place in the other two. Vino has also podiumed the Tour (but was actually in contention for the win) and has won the Vuelta. I fail to see how two podiums are better than one win. I very much doubt he has won more races in general than Vino. I also rate two Liege over two Lombardia, and ofc an OGRR gold over any number of meaningless PT classifications.

J-rod has 36 victories to Vino's 31.

Here are their major victories stacked up:

J-rod:

2x Il Lombardia (2013, 2012)
8x stage Vuelta a Espana (2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2003)
2x GC Volta Ciclista a Catalunya (2014, 2010)
La Fl�che Wallonne (2012)
GC Setmana-Catalana (2004)
4x stage Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco (2012, 2011, 2010)
GC Vuelta A Burgos (2011)
4x stage Tirreno-Adriatico (2013, 2012, 2009, 2008)
2x stage Giro d�Italia (2012)
Gran Premio Miguel Indurain (2010)
2ndGC Giro d�Italia (2012)
stage Tour de France (2010)

Vino:

2x Li�ge-Bastogne-Li�ge (2010, 2005)
2x GC Paris - Nice (2003, 2002)
GC Vuelta a Espana (2006)
Olympic Games Road Race (2012)
4x stage Tour de France (2010, 2005, 2003)
GC Crit�rium du Dauphin� (1999)
GC Tour de Suisse (2003)
Amstel Gold Race (2003)
3x stage Vuelta a Espana (2006, 2000)
5x stage Paris - Nice (2004, 2003, 2002)
GC Giro del Trentino (2010)
3x stage Tour de Suisse (2003, 2002, 2001)

 

[ray j willings]

So being able to win a race one or two years makes you better than a whole bunch of people who actually won such races?

So winning a race is not as better than other riders winning races , errr what, A ?

Seriously. I know what you are trying to say and if you look at my views on those riders then you have your answer.

The strongest or most talented rider does not always win for many reasons.