Total Disillusionment

[Ripper]

Don't bait ;-) No, chance would be a fine thing. The nature of my work is frantic activity, followed by periods of calm. And as it often follows a political timetable, breaks for the legislatures tend to be quiet for me. As sure as eggs is eggs, April will be appalling, midnight oil stuff... c'est la vie, c'est la guerre...

No so much a bait as I know a few retired lawyers (and a few unretired). Your posts sound like them, and your posts get into quite a bit of detail.

 

[Ripper]

Stay on topic. It is not allowed to bait/flame each other.

Or face the consequences

Who's baiting or flaming? My questions to MV could have been in a PM, but they were not made in the intention of baiting or flaming.

 

[Netserk]

Who's baiting or flaming? My questions to MV could have been in a PM, but they were not made in the intention of baiting or flaming.

It wasn't aimed at you.

More like the those who's posts I have deleted.

 

[leon7766]

Since last years tour I haven't felt like watching cycling. The obvious way that team Sky has taken over team Postal's old role as the protected team is a joke and the bull**** they feed us is an insult. It's not a race anymore, it's a show and a very boring one too. The good thing is that this summer I am not going to spend every sunny afternoon in july in front of the TV.

Clean riders and clean teams are never a disgrace .We should all be supporting Sky

 

[thehog]

Clean riders and clean teams are never a disgrace .We should all be supporting Sky

I'm with you. We need to get behind Sky and support them.

They're doing this the right way. If we want clean cycling then we should support Sky who embodied clean cycling.

 

[Pentacycle]

I'm with you. We need to get behind Sky and support them.

They're doing this the right way. If we want clean cycling then we should support Sky who embodied clean cycling.

And McQuaid says Sky's the way to go for the future, Anglo-Saxon style ftw! So why don't we believe him and all put Froome posters on our walls, and grow sideburns?

 

[thehog]

And McQuaid says Sky's the way to go for the future, Anglo-Saxon style ftw! So why don't we believe him and all put Froome posters on our walls, and grow sideburns?

Sky TV need to make a reality show where they get some Dawg type from school. Some guy who climbs stairs sideways. Take him to Tenerife, train him and turn him into a grand tour contender.

Initially he'll ride for 5km with Menchov but within a year he'll be winning the Tour.

 

[martinvickers]

leaning toward a divergent viewpoint would be a bias which is likely to lead to mistakes . i.e. not particularly sound "reasoning". at least you aren't totally blind to it which is a small plus.

i think what you refer to as hunches is often just inductive reasoning. in other words, many specific cases are used to develop general rules. it can lead to mistakes but this sky cleanliness debate isn't really one of them. you demand a more deductive approach but unfortunately it isn't an option. it's actually the wrong tool for the job. to simplify it further, clinic regulars have seen enough doping cases, behaviors, cover-ups, etc to be able to develop a few somewhat reliable guidelines. it isn't a perfect system but it is by no means the absence of reason, quite the opposite actually.

I've had this discussion with Tinman, before. Unusually for a lawyer, I have a mathematical, scientific, rather than liberal arts, rhetorical mind...I appreciate those two approaches are not the be all end all, but I have found an algebric approach to logic the most accurate, and the hypothesis, test, verify model is pretty much gold standard to me.

To my mind, useful inductive reasoning requires either a lack of bias, oe a proven ability to overcome it. Neither are on display much here, though some posters, (e.g. hitch, dr maserati, dear wiggo when he keeps his temper, and the gold standard, LS) are laudible in their attempts to try. Otherwise we fall into sherlocks trap re theories and facts.

 

[ebandit]

nah!

disillusioned?......................nah! the antics of pro cyclists give me so much

to moan about + i can feel superior looking down at these morally bereft souls

...what about others opinion?

would you prefer that team sky were proven to be team clean or caught out

doping demonstrating that you were correct all along

Mark L

 

[leon7766]

I'm with you. We need to get behind Sky and support them.

They're doing this the right way. If we want clean cycling then we should support Sky who embodied clean cycling.

Embody. They have always been clean and will remain so .Its the right way

 

[thehog]

Embody. They have always been clean and will remain so .Its the right way

I agree. I see Sky as a health retreat. Like a Buddhist ashram. It's all about clean living, hard work and bread and water.

They are showing the way for the whole world to live.

I love Sky. I am one with the Dawg. I want to hug him.

 

[Digger]

Embody. They have always been clean and will remain so .Its the right way

I admire you for fighting the fight - it's time Wiggins was given the credit he deserves. He is possibly one of the greatest cyclists of all time, as he has done it all clean. You just know from reading his book and listening to him talk that he's clean. Wiggo has been a class act from his FDJ days.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Clean riders and clean teams are never a disgrace .We should all be supporting Sky

Supporting Sky.

Can you get us a discount on the satellite service?

 

[MarkvW]

I admire you for fighting the fight - it's time Wiggins was given the credit he deserves. He is possibly one of the greatest cyclists of all time, as he has done it all clean. You just know from reading his book and listening to him talk that he's clean. Wiggo has been a class act from his FDJ days.

Until he gets caught . . ..

 

[leon7766]

I agree. I see Sky as a health retreat. Like a Buddhist ashram. It's all about clean living, hard work and bread and water.

They are showing the way for the whole world to live.

I love Sky. I am one with the Dawg. I want to hug him.

Its true if the entire population of the world were to work as hard and strive to better themselves in such an uplifting way has the Sky team and may I add the British track team do ,well there wouldnt be a recession and space travel would be that much closer
I wouldnt want to hug him to much as he may break

 

[leon7766]

Supporting Sky.

Can you get us a discount on the satellite service?

Yes ring up and say you are cancelling they always offer a better price .Pretty common knowledge really perhps you are dazed and confused

 

[leon7766]

I admire you for fighting the fight - it's time Wiggins was given the credit he deserves. He is possibly one of the greatest cyclists of all time, as he has done it all clean. You just know from reading his book and listening to him talk that he's clean. Wiggo has been a class act from his FDJ days.

Totallty correct .Hes shown from day one what grit and determination can do added to the fact he is a stand up guy who tells it straight and is has funny as flip

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I wouldnt want to hug him to much as he may break

Wiggins is now a knight, there is no way you will get close to him. He is surrounded by bodyguards. 15 minute press conferences only and each reporter gets one question to ask.

What will be you question?

 

[Galic Ho]

Its true if the entire population of the world were to work as hard and strive to better themselves in such an uplifting way has the Sky team and may I add the British track team do ,well there wouldnt be a recession and space travel would be that much closer
I wouldnt want to hug him to much as he may break

Beam me up Scotty. Beam me up. Sexy Vulcan females await!

This is clearly what team Sky need! More endorsement akin with Star Trek! Warp engines and Enterprise! A win win scenario. The Final Frontier if you will. Team Sky, the voyages of the Tennerife Trio! Come on man, preach it some more!

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Yes ring up and say you are cancelling they always offer a better price .Pretty common knowledge really perhps you are dazed and confused

damn, I always ends up paying more than others.

and yes, the .name says it all.

 

[leon7766]

Wiggins is now a knight, there is no way you will get close to him. He is surrounded by bodyguards. 15 minute press conferences only and each reporter gets one question to ask.

What will be you question?

I wouldnt have a question but I would jst tell him how grateful I and the rest of the cycling world are for him and his team bringing the sport back to being a clean sport . Well done Sky

 

[Dazed and Confused]

I wouldnt have a question but I would jst tell him how grateful I and the rest of the cycling world are for him and his team bringing the sport back to being a clean sport . Well done Sky

Good luck Leon.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Little Leon

Good luck Leon.

ahhhh bless him....we all love a Leon

 

[Samson777]

I wouldnt have a question but I would jst tell him how grateful I and the rest of the cycling world are for him and his team bringing the sport back to being a clean sport . Well done Sky

haha

I guess we all need a Santa Claus.

 

[Fatclimber]

. . . . .

If you're not yet totally disillusioned, maybe you can buy a race from Vino! . . . or blame it all on McQuaid!

Vino not sell race. Ever. Not even tour of Chavez Lake in S. Mexico. Only buy. Attack. Attack. Attack. Destroy. Buy.