Tour 2018 stage 20: St P-S-Nivelle - Espelette 31km ITT

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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According to Jan Bakelants, the time trial is so tough that Bardet is going to start on his normal race bike, rather than a TT bike.

Not sure if it's a TT thing or a Bardet thing

They had the switch thing going on in Bergen. But some people climb really well on a TT bike, like Dumoulin.

 

[movingtarget]

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According to Jan Bakelants, the time trial is so tough that Bardet is going to start on his normal race bike, rather than a TT bike.

Not sure if it's a TT thing or a Bardet thing

I'm kinda glad that I will not have to watch Bardet on the TT bike...

Especially after watching Zakarin try and go downhill.............

 

[movingtarget]

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Don't really care about the stage since I believe Froomey will lose quite a bit to both Rogla and Tom.

But I have a message for the Tour: since the best TTers win the race no matter the sh*t you throw at them can we just go back to having a couple of monster TTs in the route like it used to be? I want to see these guys fight each other on a 50/60 km TT.

That could be great. Maybe the French finally will see Bardet aint winning the Tour so we can get back to at least a respectable amount like 60 km or something.

With that much TT Bardet wouldn't even start the Tour. That would be his Giro year for sure.

 

[Sestriere]

Will one of the non GC riders be able to beat the Top 4? Some TT specialists surely took it easier during the last days, as much as that is possible on such terrain.
Second rank riders I expect to do well would be Latour, Arndt, Andersen, Amador, Alaphilippe
Most likely to split the Top 4 are imo Castroviejo, Kwiatkowski, the Izagirres, Jungels and Küng.

 

[Red Rick]

The real question today is if Dan Martin can make up the 1 minute 30 on Bardet.

Zakarin will probably pass Quintana for 9th.

Guess Kruijswijk will hang on for 5th

I just wonder how much Roglic is suited to super technical hilly TTs.

 

[klintE]

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Will one of the non GC riders be able to beat the Top 4? Some TT specialists surely took it easier during the last days, as much as that is possible on such terrain.
Second rank riders I expect to do well would be Latour, Arndt, Andersen, Amador, Alaphilippe
Most likely to split the Top 4 are imo Castroviejo, Kwiatkowski, the Izagirres, Jungels and Küng.

And Bodnar

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Will one of the non GC riders be able to beat the Top 4? Some TT specialists surely took it easier during the last days, as much as that is possible on such terrain.
Second rank riders I expect to do well would be Latour, Arndt, Andersen, Amador, Alaphilippe
Most likely to split the Top 4 are imo Castroviejo, Kwiatkowski, the Izagirres, Jungels and Küng.

I agree with these names. I'd add Zakarin, Poels and Bernal to the first list. Kangert is a bit of an enigma. He could also do well, but he could also be nowhere to be seen.

I think Roglic, Thomas and Dumoulin will take the first three places, but I don't think Froome will top 5.

 

[Pharazon]

i wonder if the tour will ever manage to do a TT where the live timing on it's website doesn't *** itself as soon as anything happens

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

 

[wheresmybrakes]

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Don't really care about the stage since I believe Froomey will lose quite a bit to both Rogla and Tom.

But I have a message for the Tour: since the best TTers win the race no matter the sh*t you throw at them can we just go back to having a couple of monster TTs in the route like it used to be? I want to see these guys fight each other on a 50/60 km TT.

That could be great. Maybe the French finally will see Bardet aint winning the Tour so we can get back to at least a respectable amount like 60 km or something.

With that much TT Bardet wouldn't even start the Tour. That would be his Giro year for sure.

You would have Quintana and Landa joining him too.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

 

[Jagartrott]

This parcours doesn't seem to favour the heavier TTers - so I expect most of the top-10 to be filled with the GC guys.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

 

[DFA123]

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This parcours doesn't seem to favour the heavier TTers - so I expect most of the top-10 to be filled with the GC guys.

The heavy TTers are the GC guys these days aren't they?

 

[Arked]

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This parcours doesn't seem to favour the heavier TTers - so I expect most of the top-10 to be filled with the GC guys.

The heavy TTers are the GC guys these days aren't they?

Heavy TTer is around 80kg, not 68-70.

Medium weight TTers were always GC guys by the way. Not only these days...

 

[Screecher]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

He did wear a regular team jersey. Other than that he also wore a regular jersey in the prologue in 2012.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

He did wear a regular team jersey. Other than that he also wore a regular jersey in the prologue in 2012.

Albright, thanks! Still pretty remarkable.

 

[rlntlssly]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

Not a great picture, but yes, it looks like this might be the time!

 

[roundabout]

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i wonder if the tour will ever manage to do a TT where the live timing on it's website doesn't **** itself as soon as anything happens

It worked better circa 15 years ago.

 

[yaco]

Hepburn's time of 42.15 should be rock solid for a top ten and possibly a top five - Rain comes back and you never know.

 

[Poursuivant]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

Not a great picture, but yes, it looks like this might be the time!

Wait, Sagan rides for Bora? :lol:

 

[rlntlssly]

Re: Re:

Watching this stage, I came to think of whether Sagan has ever ridden a Tour stage in his standard team jersey? I actually don't think he has.

2012: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2013: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2014: Slovakian champion and green jersey in the time trial
2015: Slovakian champion and Slovakian champion in time trialing
2016: World champion and green jersey in the time trial
2017: World champion
2018: World champion and green jersey in the time trial

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Yeah, he must have ridden stage 1, the ITT, of the 2017 Tour in his team jersey. Is that the only stage?

He hasn't, as this was his last race in a normal team jersey:

Tour de Suisse 2011.

Are you sure? What jersey did he wear on stage 1 of the 2017 Tour then?

He did wear a regular team jersey. Other than that he also wore a regular jersey in the prologue in 2012.

Good call. http://www.cyclingnews.com/races/tour-de-france-2012/prologue/results/

 

[Carols]

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The battle for 5/6 will be interesting as I have no idea how good Steven K is at TT's and Landa can do both good and really bad TTs. So who knows what happens there.

There should be no contest there, Steven Kruijswijk is a better time triallist.

I'll keep an eye on Latour's performance, a top-5 would be huge, a top-10 ok-ish.

I know I'm old, but for the life of me I can't recall Landa ever doing a 'good' time trial. What am I missing?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dunno what that is about Landa. But Kruijswijk has some good ITTs on record:
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-suisse/2017/stage-9
https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/giro-d-italia/2015/stage-14

And the MTT he almost won (but Foliforov miracle). I think this being at the end of a GT and being hilly should be good for him

 

[Carols]

I visited Espelette back in 2014 while touring from Biaritz to Carcassonne. It's a totally charming,Tiny little place know for peppers. Very surprised they had the $$ to be a finish town!