Tour 2018 stage 20: St P-S-Nivelle - Espelette 31km ITT

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Ramira said:
I have to wonder, is this really that surprising? Thomas is beating two riders coming off the Giro-Tour double, something that hasn't been done close to successfully since Pantani. And the number 4 is going to be Roglic, a man who's best GT finish so far is 38.

I'm not saying anyone should have expected this, or that it's not a revelation that Thomas is this good. But honestly the competition is really quite poor.

He is beating a guy who has been on the podium in Paris twice (Bardet), a guy who has won both the Giro and the Vuelta and been second in Paris (Quintana) and strong GT riders such as Landa and Kruijswijk. And people always says, "but they are in such a poor form". Well maybe, just maybe, it is not that easy to be on peak form every GT. And sometimes, you might be in good form, but in the competition if off the chart, it will look like you are in poor shape..
 
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Walkman said:
Ramira said:
I have to wonder, is this really that surprising? Thomas is beating two riders coming off the Giro-Tour double, something that hasn't been done close to successfully since Pantani. And the number 4 is going to be Roglic, a man who's best GT finish so far is 38.

I'm not saying anyone should have expected this, or that it's not a revelation that Thomas is this good. But honestly the competition is really quite poor.

He is beating a guy who has been on the podium in Paris twice (Bardet), a guy who has won both the Giro and the Vuelta and been second in Paris (Quintana) and strong GT riders such as Landa and Kruijswijk. And people always says, "but they are in such a poor form". Well maybe, just maybe, it is not that easy to be on peak form every GT. And sometimes, you might be in good form, but in the competition if off the chart, it will look like you are in poor shape..
Agree, the competition isn't poor by ANY means. A lot stronger than 2017 for example, a lot.
 
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Walkman said:
Ramira said:
I have to wonder, is this really that surprising? Thomas is beating two riders coming off the Giro-Tour double, something that hasn't been done close to successfully since Pantani. And the number 4 is going to be Roglic, a man who's best GT finish so far is 38.

I'm not saying anyone should have expected this, or that it's not a revelation that Thomas is this good. But honestly the competition is really quite poor.

He is beating a guy who has been on the podium in Paris twice (Bardet), a guy who has won both the Giro and the Vuelta and been second in Paris (Quintana) and strong GT riders such as Landa and Kruijswijk. And people always says, "but they are in such a poor form". Well maybe, just maybe, it is not that easy to be on peak form every GT. And sometimes, you might be in good form, but in the competition if off the chart, it will look like you are in poor shape..

These guys are all being beaten by Roglic. If Contador had not retired and say had finished 6th you could also say he won a multiple GT winner, but it would have meant nothing about the level needed to win this TDF. Again Thomas is very good, but I don't believe his current form would have been enough to win any tour going back to at least the tour Evans won, if not the one won by Pereiro.

And let me be clear I'm not trying to take something away from his victory, he's deserved to win this Tour, he's been the best on every single terrain and is a worthy winner. I'm just saying it's not as amazing a transformation as people are claiming. I'm not so sure he's significantly better then he was in 2016 before he got ill.