Tour de France 2013

[Bavarianrider]

Not a myth, and it's a hard-and-fast rule. See Page 42 here: http://www.uci.ch/Modules/BUILTIN/g...&ObjTypeCode=FILE&type=FILE&id=34028&LangId=1

On page 35 it says that TT can be up to 80km.
Surely if ASO wnated to do a 65km they could do so, don't worry

 

[SetonHallPirate]

On page 35 it says that TT can be up to 80km.
Surely if ASO wnated to do a 65km they could do so, don't worry

That's as a stand-alone time trial (ie. Chrono des Nations). The page I pointed to is specific to stage races.

 

[Bavarianrider]

That's as a stand-alone time trial (ie. Chrono des Nations). The page I pointed to is specific to stage races.

Giro TT 2009 was longer then 60km

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Giro TT 2009 was longer then 60km

That's because the rule was put into place effective July 1, 2009. (see how it says text modified on 1.01.05, 1.01.06, 1.01.08, 1.01.09, and 1.07.09?) That means the last modification was on July 1, 2009.

 

[Netserk]

That's because the rule was put into place effective July 1, 2009. (see how it says text modified on 1.01.05, 1.01.06, 1.01.08, 1.01.09, and 1.07.09?) That means the last modification was on July 1, 2009.

And it says that world ITT can have a max length of 40-50 km, yet this year's was ~55km

 

[Descender]

And it says that world ITT can have a max length of 40-50 km, yet this year's was ~55km

It was 46.2 km.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

And it says that world ITT can have a max length of 40-50 km, yet this year's was ~55km

Good point! Quick, where's the foot-in-mouth smiley?

 

[LaFlorecita]

And it says that world ITT can have a max length of 40-50 km, yet this year's was ~55km

Next year's is 55

 

[Netserk]

It was 46.2 km.

Next year's is 55

my bad... I had been looking too much at next year's race, so I forgot that it wasn't this year's event

 

[SetonHallPirate]

And it says that world ITT can have a max length of 40-50 km, yet this year's was ~55km

You got me, but not on that point...it was 46.2. That said, the Team Time Trial length, according to the UCI Rulebook, is the same 40-50 km max, and THAT was 53.2 km.

Quick, where's the foot-in-mouth smiley?

 

[Bavarianrider]

Next year's is 55

Is next years parcours already visible somewhere?

 

[Netserk]

Long story short:
The rules can be bend, especially if it is the UCI who breaks them (or ASO (2010 tour exceeded the 3500km limit))

 

[jens_attacks]

I remember that when they had a long ttt at the tour in 2003 or 2004 they put a limit on the losses that was based on the placement: like for example maximum 30 second gap between first and second team or something like that.

that was one of the most idiotic things ever

let's also minimize the gaps on the mountains,taking into account the places and not the time. it was embarrasing,not fair to the hard workers

my humble opinion:

never ever use those pathetic 20 kms TTT...what the hell are those? TTT's is a form of art and it should take more than an hour,an hour and a half

everyone is afraid of gaps,huge gaps....that's not true if the teams practice a lot...just look at the "huge" gaps this year at the worlds
well if euskaltel and mercatone don't train,it's not the organizers fault

2003 for example:

70 kms of TTT:

1 US Postal presented by Berry Floor 1.18.27 (52.77 km/h)
2 O.N.C.E.-Eroski 0.30
3 Team Bianchi 0.43
4 iBanesto.com 1.05
5 Quick.Step-Davitamon 1.23
6 Team Telekom 1.30
7 Vini Caldirola-SO.DI 1.32
8 Crédit Agricole
9 AG2r Prévoyance 1.38
10 Team CSC 1.45


not huge gaps if you train.
if you don't,you have enough time to buy rouleurs for this .


and the pathetic thing is the tour will have this year a disgrace like this,20 km or something lol
let's hope there won't be MAJOR gaps

 

[LaFlorecita]

Is next years parcours already visible somewhere?

The tt must make you happy

 

[Bavarianrider]

The tt must make you happy

Thanks! It does

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thanks! It does

There is a thread here
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=18621

 

[Bavarianrider]

Uh thanks, somehow i missed that one.
Road Course seems good, too.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

that's not shabby at all
but the alpe twice is a very bad idea,i don't like it.i prefered alpe MTF and alpe MTT too

This 'legendary mountain twice' shtick has to die soon. Please let it die soon. It's given us nothing but horrible routes and racing.

Gotta say, pretty disappointed with the parcours if these all turn out to be true... It'll all be downhill after Corsica

And Corsica was a huge letdown to begin.

That's an ideal length for the TTT. Anything more is unfair.

There is a MTT, ITT and TTT. Well balanced.

Overly long ITTs will only provide entertainment to fans of bore fests like you and your countryman FoxyBrown.

It will not provide exciting racing.

The ideal length for the TTT is 4km, on a velodrome. Outside a velodrome, it's a worthless innovation.

Having 20 KMs of TTT is much better than having 70.

Anyone Remembers 2009?

Yup - the only guy in the top 10 who wasn't in the top 4 TTT teams got there thanks to a 15 minute breakaway.

There aren't that many climbs that can be realistically used for the Tour in the Pyrenees,

Yes, it depends on the money. I am thinking of MTFs that can be used realistically in terms of logistic and financial requirements.

Bonascre, Beille, La Mongie, Gourette, Cauterets, Pla d'Adet, Arette PSM (!), Peyragudes, Hautacam, Superbagneres (?), maybe something in the East, but those mountains near Font-Romeu are long, but not steep (and some of them are not even long).

10 or so in total.

Larrau (if they push it a bit), Station d'Issarbe, Cam-Basque, Tentes, Troumouse, Piau Engaly, with a bit of creativity Lac de Cap de Long, Val Louron, Peyresourde-Balestas (as opposed to Peyragudes), Col de Lagues. That's just the French side of the border, and besides, some of those in the western Pyrenées are easily hard enough that they can have descent finishes without ruining the stage's spectacle anyhow.

I'm gonna design a tour where with a 70km itt where wiggins will be crying after he sees the mountains

OK.

On page 35 it says that TT can be up to 80km.
Surely if ASO wnated to do a 65km they could do so, don't worry

You need special dispensation from the UCI to do that now though, though I'm sure for the Tour they'd give it, like when RCS wanted to invite 23 teams to the Giro and include a stage over 240km.

 

[roundabout]

Is Col de Lagues the same basically as Mourtis ski station?

I think that Tentes, Troumouse and maybe a couple of others are within a national park, so it may not be possible to host a stage finish.

Still, the thing about Pyrenees is that those possible finishes are somewhat clustered together.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

This 'legendary mountain twice' shtick has to die soon. Please let it die soon. It's given us nothing but horrible routes and racing.

And Corsica was a huge letdown to begin.

The ideal length for the TTT is 4km, on a velodrome. Outside a velodrome, it's a worthless innovation.

Yup - the only guy in the top 10 who wasn't in the top 4 TTT teams got there thanks to a 15 minute breakaway.


Larrau (if they push it a bit), Station d'Issarbe, Cam-Basque, Tentes, Troumouse, Piau Engaly, with a bit of creativity Lac de Cap de Long, Val Louron, Peyresourde-Balestas (as opposed to Peyragudes), Col de Lagues. That's just the French side of the border, and besides, some of those in the western Pyrenées are easily hard enough that they can have descent finishes without ruining the stage's spectacle anyhow.

OK.

You need special dispensation from the UCI to do that now though, though I'm sure for the Tour they'd give it, like when RCS wanted to invite 23 teams to the Giro and include a stage over 240km.

I wonder if you'll see that again in the future, in fact, I'd be surprised if we did. Remember, that created quite the safety hazard on a very early stage, as any fan of then-Leopard-Trek would happily (not really) remind you.

 

[Parrulo]

I wonder if you'll see that again in the future, in fact, I'd be surprised if we did. Remember, that created quite the safety hazard on a very early stage, as any fan of then-Leopard-Trek would happily (not really) remind you.

are you really implying that WW crashed because there were 23 in the race? because that's about the most idiotic comment on the history of this forum.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Is Col de Lagues the same basically as Mourtis ski station?

I think that Tentes, Troumouse and maybe a couple of others are within a national park, so it may not be possible to host a stage finish.

Still, the thing about Pyrenees is that those possible finishes are somewhat clustered together.

Lagues is basically the pass at Mourtis, yes. Menté + a bit. Makes me wonder why it isn't used.

I wonder if you'll see that again in the future, in fact, I'd be surprised if we did. Remember, that created quite the safety hazard on a very early stage, as any fan of then-Leopard-Trek would happily (not really) remind you.

Having the extra team did not cause Weylandt's death, but I'm sure safety concerns will likely prevent it happening again anyhow, especially with stage finishes like they had in Denmark this year - ones that would be fine with 16 teams of 8 in the Post Danmark Rundt but aren't too smart with 22 teams of 9 including a bunch protecting tiny climbers in the Giro.

 

[Magnus]

This 'legendary mountain twice' shtick has to die soon. Please let it die soon. It's given us nothing but horrible routes and racing.

It gave the TdF 2011 two of the best stages in recent cycling history.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

are you really implying that WW crashed because there were 23 in the race? because that's about the most idiotic comment on the history of this forum.

Hardly, but I'm trying to see things from the UCI's point of view. Unfortunately, in this case, I can't get my head that far up my posterior!

 

[Eshnar]

Hardly, but I'm trying to see things from the UCI's point of view.

It's impossible unless you realize what it's like to swim through the money.