Tour de France 2016 route prediction

[Linkinitouille]

Gouvenou twitted this. If anyone knows where this is...

EDIT: It has been found by Leokirk on Velowire. D71 between Ugine and Cohennoz.

 

[rghysens]

Didn't Gouvenou post a picture of the Col des Champs last year around the same time?

 

[unknownmerd]

Old account password/email address gone - hence here's a new one.

Bern confirmed. The Swiss capital will host stage finish, rest day and start on July 18th-20th.

http://www.derbund.ch/sport/rad/die-tour-de-france-kommt-2016-nach-bern/story/20888269

 

[Billie]

euhm if they are in Bern from 18-20th they'll be in Andorra for the other restday earlier? So Pyrenees before Alps like this year?

 

[unknownmerd]

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

Please Joux Plane - Avoriaz. I want to see this combination for years.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

So presumably Avoriaz on the Sunday then an intermediate transitional stage to Bern on the Monday, rest on Tuesday and back to France from Bern on Wednesday. Would maybe even open up the possibility of week 3 Vosges.

 

["Jeff"]

Re: Re:

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

Please Joux Plane - Avoriaz. I want to see this combination for years.

Joux Plane is a lovely col indeed.

Problem I have, there's always too many flat km's in between.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

So presumably Avoriaz on the Sunday then an intermediate transitional stage to Bern on the Monday, rest on Tuesday and back to France from Bern on Wednesday. Would maybe even open up the possibility of week 3 Vosges.

Unfortunately nope. The article says that Avoriaz will come in the the last week. However thats kind of strange if the Mt. Ventoux rumor is true, because the route will go from the south of the alps (Ventoux) to the north of the alps (bern) without going through them.

 

[rghysens]

Re: Re:

So presumably Avoriaz on the Sunday then an intermediate transitional stage to Bern on the Monday, rest on Tuesday and back to France from Bern on Wednesday. Would maybe even open up the possibility of week 3 Vosges.

Unfortunately nope. The article says that Avoriaz will come in the the last week. However thats kind of strange if the Mt. Ventoux rumor is true, because the route will go from the south of the alps (Ventoux) to the north of the alps (bern) without going through them.

Well, the course of the Tour has made some strange switchbacks the last few years.

 

[portugal11]

verbier is back!!!

 

[jens_attacks]

Alberto will demolish them again if verbier is in

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

verbier is back!!!

The article says that it wont be back.

 

[Jan the Man]

I would love the Joux Plane - 10 years since it's been included - about time that it's back.

 

[Matteo.]

Re: Re:

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

Please Joux Plane - Avoriaz. I want to see this combination for years.

Joux Plane is a lovely col indeed.

Problem I have, there's always too many flat km's in between.[/quote]

it seems to me there're only 2kms flat and then the descent. not so bad

 

[Valv.Piti]

I still remember Joux Plane from PCM 06, its definitely a brutal climb!

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

Please Joux Plane - Avoriaz. I want to see this combination for years.

Joux Plane is a lovely col indeed.

Problem I have, there's always too many flat km's in between.[/quote]

I don't see the problem
Or do you meant that there is too much flat before the joux plane? That is kind of true but if you do a mtf in Avoriaz after the Joux plane its not such a big problem because nobody would attack before anyways. However that doesnt mean you can't put hard climbs before it, just look at 2006, absolutely great stage, or use the Ramaz. There is still some flat between but as I already wrote, not such a big problem if there is another climb after the Joux Plane.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Im 99% he means there is too much flat before Joux Plane. But wouldnt a finish in Morzine be better so we could see racing from the bottom of Joux Plane instead of waiting for Avoriaz which is a kinda easy climb anyways?

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

Im 99% he means there is too much flat before Joux Plane. But wouldnt a finish in Morzine be better so we could see racing from the bottom of Joux Plane instead of waiting for Avoriaz which is a kinda easy climb anyways?

Joux Plane - Avoriaz would work because Joux Plane is clearly harder. Just to remind you, climbs like Aprica or Sestriere are way easier but they work brilliantly together with the Mortirolo/Finestre. However, it mostly depends on the place of the stage if such a combination works. If it comes before another mountain stage we would only see action on Avoriaz but at least the peloton will already be very small on the bottom of the climb because of the Joux Plane. But as the last mountain stage it would be very very good because you can attack on the Joux Plane and it isnt that difficult to keep your advantage because the last climb isnt a monster.

 

["Jeff"]

Re: Re:

Yep. Alps afterwards (with Morzine Avoriaz getting a special mention in the article).

Please Joux Plane - Avoriaz. I want to see this combination for years.

Joux Plane is a lovely col indeed.

Problem I have, there's always too many flat km's in between.

I don't see the problem
Or do you meant that there is too much flat before the joux plane? That is kind of true but if you do a mtf in Avoriaz after the Joux plane its not such a big problem because nobody would attack before anyways. However that doesnt mean you can't put hard climbs before it, just look at 2006, absolutely great stage, or use the Ramaz. There is still some flat between but as I already wrote, not such a big problem if there is another climb after the Joux Plane.[/quote]Yes between the last col and the joux plane.

Always a reasonable large group start @ the Joux Plane and thats too bad.

2006 was a great stage but was more an exception.

In 1983 there was Jacques Michaud solo and a group behind him.

1984 I cant remember.
1991 there was no televsion because of the weather conditions, barely saw anything of the climb but a group as well. It was kinda cool though. There was only a camera at the finish and for minutes you had to wait for Buff Bourguignon and Thierry Claveryrolat

1997 with Pantani, big group. Same in 2000.

The col is great but the stages arent always exciting.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Re:

Im 99% he means there is too much flat before Joux Plane. But wouldnt a finish in Morzine be better so we could see racing from the bottom of Joux Plane instead of waiting for Avoriaz which is a kinda easy climb anyways?

Joux Plane - Avoriaz would work because Joux Plane is clearly harder. Just to remind you, climbs like Aprica or Sestriere are way easier but they work brilliantly together with the Mortirolo/Finestre. However, it mostly depends on the place of the stage if such a combination works. If it comes before another mountain stage we would only see action on Avoriaz but at least the peloton will already be very small on the bottom of the climb because of the Joux Plane. But as the last mountain stage it would be very very good because you can attack on the Joux Plane and it isnt that difficult to keep your advantage because the last climb isnt a monster.

Im just not very optimistic about it since fx. Aprica is super easy, while Avoriaz still is a decent 1st category climb and thus could scare. But yes, if such a stage would succeed with great racing on Joux Plane (stage placement and in particular how the GC stands and those who are behind - how willing are they) it will be great, but the things I listed more often than not just prevents that from happening. You get me?

I guess my point is, with a finish in Morzine, we will at least get some super hard racing on that climb alá Balés with the finish in.. (nvm, cant remember), while with a finish in Avoriaz, we are left with some circumstances making it possible (real racing on Joux Plane, mind you, we will obviously still get some decent gaps, especially with that monster beforehand unless its a heady like 2010)

But I guess its only right to judge it when the whole route is released etc., I have just seen way too many stages where they softpedal on the harder of the 2 finishing climb, but you are right, such a stage like you mentioned has a lot more potential in terms of bringing some epic racing with it, especially since the big climbs are relatively far from the bottom of JP.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

[quote=""Jeff"":16tw9szy]Yes between the last col and the joux plane.

Always a reasonable large group start @ the Joux Plane and thats too bad.

2006 was a great stage but was more an exception.

In 1983 there was Jacques Michaud solo and a group behind him.

1984 I cant remember.
1991 there was no televsion because of the weather conditions, barely saw anything of the climb but a group as well. It was kinda cool though. There was only a camera at the finish and for minutes you had to wait for Buff Bourguignon and Thierry Claveryrolat

1997 with Pantani, big group. Same in 2000.

The col is great but the stages arent always exciting.[/quote]
And thats why I think Joux Plane - Avoriaz, would be great. the group on the bottom of the joux plane will still be big but because of the joux plane the group on the bottom of Avoriaz should be rather small.

@Valv.Piti:
Aprica and Sestriere surely are different but I used them as examples because you said that Avoriaz is too easy. The better comparison is probably Fedaia - Pordoi. Fedaia is maybe a little bit more difficult but still these combinations are very alike and I think nobody would doubt that Fedaia - Pordoi is epic.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I dont mind either actually, I just want something like Gallina instead of Arcalis

 

[McLovin]

JP should always be the last climb, it's perfect. As for Avoriaz, they could climb it twice by using Joux Verte beacuse anyway, it's a trend from ASO to climb something twice (or three times if another climb is collapsing).

 

[ice&fire]

Re:

I dont mind either actually, I just want something like Gallina instead of Arcalis

We might as well get Gallina and Arcalis