Tour de France 2017 Stage 16: Le Puy to Romans-sur-Isère

[Eclipse]

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Barguil is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing Barguil win the polka dot jersey.

Where on earth does this comment come from?

Look on the previous page. Some low IQ comment that it would be a farce if Kittel won green because he is by far the best sprinter. :lol:

haha ok. I was thoroughly baffled coming back from my lunch break to find that lol

 

[Tigerion]

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Kittel is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing kittel win the green jersey

Suppose Cavendish was a shame as well?

Green jersey will always be for sprinters/puncheurs, same way the Polka dots is for climbers/escape artists. True, Sagan would probably have won it again as he's so good in both kinds of finishes - but sprinting wise Kittel is bounds ahead of everyone else in this TDF. With how dominant he's been in sprints it's ridiculous not to recognize his worth, even if you don't like him.

He can't follow a peloton in a one km climb with 5%. Cav is much more versatile than kittel. Cav is a milan san remo's winner

Real undeserving sprinters don't finish GTs, therefore they don't win the points jersey - Cipo was the best example.

Kittel is crap up climbs. Nobody's disputing that. But he'll get over them, finish half an hour down, then get to the Champs and blow everyone out of the water. Matthews could be a proper contender, but would you give it to him after winning an uphill finish and losing every other sprint badly to Kittel? Is he more deserving? Who would be at this stage?

This. Sagan is in the lead and deservedly so. That is spoken as an Australian. Green is the sprinters jersey and Kittel has been far and above the best sprinter.

 

[portugal11]

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Barguil is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing Barguil win the polka dot jersey.

Except he isn't. He's a decent climber, but he's also got good endurance to race in the break all day, he's got enough tactical nous and power on the flat to jump with the early break and he's got a decent sprint to finish it off against other riders in the break. Just because he sucks at TT, doesn't mean he can't do anything but climb.

What annoys me most about Kittel is his pathetic endurance. Cycling is supposed to be an endurance sport, but whenever he has to put in the slightest amount of work outside of the sprint or a short prologue, he fails spectacularly. He can piss off to the track already as far as I'm concerned, if he can't put in an effort of more than a few minutes.

Thanks. Kittel is lucky that prudhomme does crappy routes with 10 flat stage without anytype of climbs in the last 30 km

 

[Leinster]

Re: Re:

Kittel is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing kittel win the green jersey

Suppose Cavendish was a shame as well?

Green jersey will always be for sprinters/puncheurs, same way the Polka dots is for climbers/escape artists. True, Sagan would probably have won it again as he's so good in both kinds of finishes - but sprinting wise Kittel is bounds ahead of everyone else in this TDF. With how dominant he's been in sprints it's ridiculous not to recognize his worth, even if you don't like him.

He can't follow a peloton in a one km climb with 5%. Cav is much more versatile than kittel. Cav is a milan san remo's winner

And Kittel is a 5-time Scheldeplrijs winner, and a world TTT champion. There are a lot of great sprinters in the peloton at the moment, who in any other era nobody would blink twice at them getting the green jersey, but because we're so used to seeing Sagan light up the transition stages, we expect his replacement to do the same.

I'm a Sagan/Kelly/Jaja fan who likes to see my green jersey go to all-rounders, but you have to respect a guy who can win as many stages as Kittel has, the way Kittel has won them. And at the same time you have to respect how Matthews has gone about picking up points on days when Kittel can't.

 

[Frankschleck]

Re: Re:

Barguil is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing Barguil win the polka dot jersey.

Except he isn't. He's a decent climber, but he's also got good endurance to race in the break all day, he's got enough tactical nous and power on the flat to jump with the early break and he's got a decent sprint to finish it off against other riders in the break. Just because he sucks at TT, doesn't mean he can't do anything but climb.

What annoys me most about Kittel is his pathetic endurance. Cycling is supposed to be an endurance sport, but whenever he has to put in the slightest amount of work outside of the sprint or a short prologue, he fails spectacularly. He can piss off to the track already as far as I'm concerned, if he can't put in an effort of more than a few minutes.

hahaha man your just sad right now. If kittel shouldn't win the green jersey the other riders should have done better. By far the best sprinter in the race a, and not his fault to play to his strenghs. He is a good rider and if ends up with green jersey, he of course derseves it. Kittel even has a better endurance than some of the other sprinters.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Barguil is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing Barguil win the polka dot jersey.

Except he isn't. He's a decent climber, but he's also got good endurance to race in the break all day, he's got enough tactical nous and power on the flat to jump with the early break and he's got a decent sprint to finish it off against other riders in the break. Just because he sucks at TT, doesn't mean he can't do anything but climb.

What annoys me most about Kittel is his pathetic endurance. Cycling is supposed to be an endurance sport, but whenever he has to put in the slightest amount of work outside of the sprint or a short prologue, he fails spectacularly. He can piss off to the track already as far as I'm concerned, if he can't put in an effort of more than a few minutes.

Bro, I was joking.

 

[The Hitch]

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My TDF team

Team Hitch-UN Postal p/b Amgen (HCH)

11 Lance ARMSTRONG (2004 TDF)

12 Mark CAVENDISH (2009 TDF)

13 Tony MARTIN (2014 TDF)

14 Vincenzo NIBALI (2014 TDF)

15 Richie PORTE (2013 TDF)

16 Nairo QUINTANA ROJAS (2013 TDF)

17 Michael RASMUSSEN (2007 TDF)

18 Carlos SASTRE CANDIL (2008 TDF)

19 Andy SCHLECK (2010 TDF)

Great quality but too many egos I reckon. Porte will happily bow down, and Schleck might too, but Nibali and Quintana and Rasmussen will happier force Armstrong to go cross country again than work for him.

Better unity on team "Les Forçats de la Route"

61

Ivan Basso
62

Piotr Ugrumov
63

Pavel Tonkov
64

Andreas Klöden
65

Fabian Cancellara
66

George Hincapie
67

Paolo Savoldelli
68

Peter Sagan
69

Michael Rogers

Why does Kloeden have an EU flag?

 

[portugal11]

Re: Re:

Kittel is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing kittel win the green jersey

Suppose Cavendish was a shame as well?

Green jersey will always be for sprinters/puncheurs, same way the Polka dots is for climbers/escape artists. True, Sagan would probably have won it again as he's so good in both kinds of finishes - but sprinting wise Kittel is bounds ahead of everyone else in this TDF. With how dominant he's been in sprints it's ridiculous not to recognize his worth, even if you don't like him.

He can't follow a peloton in a one km climb with 5%. Cav is much more versatile than kittel. Cav is a milan san remo's winner

And Kittel is a 5-time Scheldeplrijs winner, and a world TTT champion. There are a lot of great sprinters in the peloton at the moment, who in any other era nobody would blink twice at them getting the green jersey, but because we're so used to seeing Sagan light up the transition stages, we expect his replacement to do the same.

I'm a Sagan/Kelly/Jaja fan who likes to see my green jersey go to all-rounders, but you have to respect a guy who can win as many stages as Kittel has, the way Kittel has won them. And at the same time you have to respect how Matthews has gone about picking up points on days when Kittel can't.

Scheldeprijs really?

 

[wouterkaas]

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My TDF team

Team Hitch-UN Postal p/b Amgen (HCH)

11 Lance ARMSTRONG (2004 TDF)

12 Mark CAVENDISH (2009 TDF)

13 Tony MARTIN (2014 TDF)

14 Vincenzo NIBALI (2014 TDF)

15 Richie PORTE (2013 TDF)

16 Nairo QUINTANA ROJAS (2013 TDF)

17 Michael RASMUSSEN (2007 TDF)

18 Carlos SASTRE CANDIL (2008 TDF)

19 Andy SCHLECK (2010 TDF)

Great quality but too many egos I reckon. Porte will happily bow down, and Schleck might too, but Nibali and Quintana and Rasmussen will happier force Armstrong to go cross country again than work for him.

Better unity on team "Les Forçats de la Route"

61

Ivan Basso
62

Piotr Ugrumov
63

Pavel Tonkov
64

Andreas Klöden
65

Fabian Cancellara
66

George Hincapie
67

Paolo Savoldelli
68

Peter Sagan
69

Michael Rogers

Why does Kloeden have an EU flag?

He belongs to a political entity run by Merkel... :lol: :razz:

 

[HelloDolly]

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Bennet must be ill or something?

Or maybe showing the difference between a 3 week GT and a shorter stage race

He's not even in de Kittel group, thats not normal.

Bennett's ill.
Cink may be showing the 3rd week fatigue. Def not used to it.

That my point...illness is more likely if you are not used to 3 weeks ..which is all about recovery and not just racing

 

[Netserk]

He's no fan of the German cycling union. He had the EU flag in one of his last team presentations.

 

[glassmoon]

Re: Re:

My TDF team

Team Hitch-UN Postal p/b Amgen (HCH)

11 Lance ARMSTRONG (2004 TDF)

12 Mark CAVENDISH (2009 TDF)

13 Tony MARTIN (2014 TDF)

14 Vincenzo NIBALI (2014 TDF)

15 Richie PORTE (2013 TDF)

16 Nairo QUINTANA ROJAS (2013 TDF)

17 Michael RASMUSSEN (2007 TDF)

18 Carlos SASTRE CANDIL (2008 TDF)

19 Andy SCHLECK (2010 TDF)

Great quality but too many egos I reckon. Porte will happily bow down, and Schleck might too, but Nibali and Quintana and Rasmussen will happier force Armstrong to go cross country again than work for him.

Better unity on team "Les Forçats de la Route"

61

Ivan Basso
62

Piotr Ugrumov
63

Pavel Tonkov
64

Andreas Klöden
65

Fabian Cancellara
66

George Hincapie
67

Paolo Savoldelli
68

Peter Sagan
69

Michael Rogers

Why does Kloeden have an EU flag?

He belongs to a political entity run by Merkel... :lol: :razz:

ba dum tsss

 

[Escarabajo]

Re: Re:

Barguil is such a one tricky pony. What a farce would be seeing Barguil win the polka dot jersey.

Except he isn't. He's a decent climber, but he's also got good endurance to race in the break all day, he's got enough tactical nous and power on the flat to jump with the early break and he's got a decent sprint to finish it off against other riders in the break. Just because he sucks at TT, doesn't mean he can't do anything but climb.

What annoys me most about Kittel is his pathetic endurance. Cycling is supposed to be an endurance sport, but whenever he has to put in the slightest amount of work outside of the sprint or a short prologue, he fails spectacularly. He can piss off to the track already as far as I'm concerned, if he can't put in an effort of more than a few minutes.

Sarcasm!!

 

[wouterkaas]

Abandon George Bennett apparently

 

[Beech Mtn]

Kloeden used to ride with an EU flag on his race numbers in the latter years. I think it was at least partly a protest against how the German fed treated Jan.

 

[Eagle]

Bennett abandon, pity for him

 

[MartinGT]

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Abandon George Bennett apparently

Just been confirmed

 

[hrotha]

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Real undeserving sprinters don't finish GTs, therefore they don't win the points jersey - Cipo was the best example.

Kittel is crap up climbs. Nobody's disputing that. But he'll get over them

Cipo is a bad example because it's not that he couldn't finish but that he couldn't be bothered more often than not. However, bear in mind Cipo's colleagues had to deal with harsher time limits than Kittel.

 

[rick james]

who's the cyclist talking on ITV2 just now??

 

[portugal11]

Bye bye kittel. What is the time limit today?

 

[Eagle]

Re:

who's the cyclist talking on ITV2 just now??

Kristian House

 

[rick james]

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who's the cyclist talking on ITV2 just now??

Kristian House

Hard to place his accent, first time I've heard him talk

 

[MartinGT]

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who's the cyclist talking on ITV2 just now??

Kristian House

Hard to place his accent, first time I've heard him talk

The Dude

 

[Eagle]

Impressive chase from Voeckler

 

[Forever The Best]

I was disliking Bling a lot for his riding style, but this Tour I've started to warm up to him a lot because of his fighting and attacking spirit. Hope he wins green.