Tour de France 2017 Stage 18: Briançon - Izoard, 179.5kms

[Carols]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Greg won 2 other Tours, the Worlds twice and you call him lesser? He would have won the Tour 5 times if he hadn't been shot

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Please let Buchmann get a hunger knock or something.

Attack when he gets his food in the feed zone

Buchmann has obviously superlegs and will solo ride to victory. Otherwise they won't ride.

 

[The Hitch]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Lemond is in my top 5 GC riders since WW2.
I don't like speaking hypothetically, but without the accident he would have won 5 Tours, imo.

Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?

 

[Ruby United]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Greg won 2 other Tours, the Worlds twice and you call him lesser? He would have won the Tour 5 times if he hadn't been shot

Completely agree. Exactly what I wrote:

Lemond is in my top 5 GC riders since WW2.
I don't like speaking hypothetically, but without the accident he would have won 5 Tours, imo.

 

[sir fly]

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And this is shaping into an Alpine classic.

Attack at Col de Vars?

Action in the breakaway, certainly.
And the GC helpers at the front will make sense only if someone tries something there (Vars).
But the GC might come down to Izoard, nevertheless.
The stage is still in the reach of the Yellow jersey group.

 

[The Hitch]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

He would have won the Tour 5 times if he hadn't been shot

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Try telling someone in August 2010 that Contador and Andy will retire with 3 tours between them.

 

[laurensde+]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Greg won 2 other Tours, the Worlds twice and you call him lesser? He would have won the Tour 5 times if he hadn't been shot

There's plenty of cycling fans who only know LeMond for his long-running feud with LA and his recent media goofiness.

 

[Ruby United]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Lemond is in my top 5 GC riders since WW2.
I don't like speaking hypothetically, but without the accident he would have won 5 Tours, imo.

Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?

Top to bottom:
Merckx
Hinault
Anquetil
Coppi
Lemond
Armstrong
Indurain
Bartalli
Contador
(My provisional list, just an opinion. Point is that Lemond is not a lesser GC rider)

 

[marqueemark]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Greg won 2 other Tours, the Worlds twice and you call him lesser? He would have won the Tour 5 times if he hadn't been shot

Don't forget Bertie won the 2015 Giro without a stage win. Did that make it any less of a GT win?

 

[ruamruam]

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[/quote]

Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?[/quote]

He's certainly behind all those. And I hate to admit it Froome as well

 

[deValtos]

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I don't know why people would complain about Bora. It's adding to the excitement not detracting, it keeps the speed up in the front and behind and makes sure everyone is racing. It's good.

we want to see brice feillu in yellow no serioulsy, it's just annoying when they don't have a single chance to win the stage anyway, and are riding for a fifteenth place, when they rather just could send some riders up the road and go for the stage tomorrow where they have a chance.

They did try today but missed it. They then waited and hoped I guess Sky would contain it, when it became clear they wouldn't they are riding. This whole complaining about teams has gone too far to the point where you guys are now criticising the teams for making the rice more exciting, not less exciting. Who cares if it's 52 riders in the break instead of 51 because there's an extra Bora there, that adds nothing.

They screwed up and missed it (even though they did try) and now they're going to actually race and not sit up. This is good.

 

[BeThatGuy]

Could Buchmann attack on col de Vars ?

 

[FjPavels]

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Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?[/quote]

He's certainly behind all those. And I hate to admit it Froome as well[/quote]

You can easily argue Lemond is way ahead of Armstrong...

 

[The Hitch]

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Looks like Froomedawg will join this illustrious list unless he wins the TT later in the week, with the break at 8 minutes.

Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Lemond is in my top 5 GC riders since WW2.
I don't like speaking hypothetically, but without the accident he would have won 5 Tours, imo.

Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?

Top to bottom:
Merckx
Hinault
Anquetil
Coppi
Lemond
Armstrong
Indurain
Bartalli
Contador
(My provisional list, just an opinion. Point is that Lemond is not a lesser GC rider)

While I agree that Lemond isn't lesser, and it is of course your opinion, I don't see how Indurain can be below Lemond. He won 2 giro tour doubles. If we count worlds, then he won the tt and he gave a worlds to Olano that he could have won himself.

Also for me Armstrong would be above Lemond. Lemond won a tour by 13 seconds. Armstromg regularly crushed Ullrich by 5 or 6 mins

 

[wouterkaas]

I wonder whether Henao will be able to do a pull for Froome today

 

[ontheroad]

Bizarre tactics from Bora.

 

[wouterkaas]

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Bizarre tactics from Bora.

This is what "to fizzle out" means :lol:

 

[TomLPC]

One time moral winner of MSR makes his move

 

[The Hitch]

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Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?

He's certainly behind all those. And I hate to admit it Froome as well[/quote]

You can easily argue Lemond is way ahead of Armstrong...[/quote]

Using a system of logic that would also disqualify Indurain, some others and put question marks around others thereyby murkying the waters.

 

[Frankschleck]

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I don't know why people would complain about Bora. It's adding to the excitement not detracting, it keeps the speed up in the front and behind and makes sure everyone is racing. It's good.

we want to see brice feillu in yellow no serioulsy, it's just annoying when they don't have a single chance to win the stage anyway, and are riding for a fifteenth place, when they rather just could send some riders up the road and go for the stage tomorrow where they have a chance.

They did try today but missed it. They then waited and hoped I guess Sky would contain it, when it became clear they wouldn't they are riding. This whole complaining about teams has gone too far to the point where you guys are now criticising the teams for making the rice more exciting, not less exciting. Who cares if it's 52 riders in the break instead of 51 because there's an extra Bora there, that adds nothing.

They screwed up and missed it (even though they did try) and now they're going to actually race and not sit up. This is good.

but it is stupid tactic mate, they have nothing to gain, and that pretty damn frusterrating. they are racing for sky right now, and thats annoying. Whats the diffrence between finishing 15 or 16th, not a thing.

 

[del1962]

Peloton climbing at Rowe pace, Kiri looks bored

 

[Escarabajo]

AG2R can up the pace a little if they actually want to win. They have the resources!

 

[TommyGun]

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Interesting that this list only contains some of the lesser TDF winners (and yes, I saw Greg LeMond! He is one of them, IMO). I wouldn't mind seeing Froome in there.

Lemond is in my top 5 GC riders since WW2.
I don't like speaking hypothetically, but without the accident he would have won 5 Tours, imo.

Coppi
Anquetil
Eddy
Hinault
Indurain
Armstrong
Contador

Which of these do you not have?

Top to bottom:
Merckx
Hinault
Anquetil
Coppi
Lemond
Armstrong
Indurain
Bartalli
Contador
(My provisional list, just an opinion. Point is that Lemond is not a lesser GC rider)

While I agree that Lemond isn't lesser, and it is of course your opinion, I don't see how Indurain can be below Lemond. He won 2 giro tour doubles. If we count worlds, then he won the tt and he gave a worlds to Olano that he could have won himself.

Also for me Armstrong would be above Lemond. Lemond won a tour by 13 seconds. Armstromg regularly crushed Ullrich by 5 or 6 mins

Sorry, I just threw a little jab at LeMond's legacy (I do not appreciate him particularly: for me, what he did in the last TT in 1989 was borderline cheating), but I did not want to spark this whole debate . I think that there are already other threads overflowing with such discussions.

 

[spalco]

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Armstromg regularly crushed Ullrich by 5 or 6 mins

* That never happened.

 

[TomLPC]

They are letting the lantern rouge lead over the penultimate cat 1 climb of the race, they should just stick someone on front who isn't going to do anything anyway and drop these two so the other Sky donestiques have to work