Tour de France 2017 Stage 18: Briançon - Izoard, 179.5kms

[Blanco]

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If he has anything left, I think Martin might make this stage interesting.

Froome, Uran & Bardet are not going to risk much. Some minor argy-bargy in the last few km.

Landa is constrained by his team role.

Martin knows he deserves better than sixth and I reckon he won't care about risking a position or two to try & prove it.

He doesn't deserve, and he won't achieve it.

He clearly deserves it.... he's killed himself trying to make up the time he lost due to Riche Porte's crash. Also the rest of the GC guys are so dull to watch in comparison.

All 5 riders above him in GC are stronger, so in my book he doesn't deserve it.

 

[hrotha]

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All 5 riders above him in GC are stronger, so in my book he doesn't deserve it.

Let's just measure power output over a one-hour period and award the Tour to whoever scores highest then.

 

[Ruby United]

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If he has anything left, I think Martin might make this stage interesting.

Froome, Uran & Bardet are not going to risk much. Some minor argy-bargy in the last few km.

Landa is constrained by his team role.

Martin knows he deserves better than sixth and I reckon he won't care about risking a position or two to try & prove it.

He doesn't deserve, and he won't achieve it.

He clearly deserves it.... he's killed himself trying to make up the time he lost due to Riche Porte's crash. Also the rest of the GC guys are so dull to watch in comparison.

All 5 riders above him in GC are stronger, so in my book he doesn't deserve it.

The old 'effort' vs 'abilities' debate

 

[Pirazziattacks]

Wow, Talansky has magically appeared in the race. I wasn't sure he was really here.

 

[Jagartrott]

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Would have been great if someone closer to the lead would have sneaked in there. Feillu is the best I think.

A bit surprised that Barguil isn't there.

Barguil is in such a fantastic shape that I think he will try to climb Izoard with the favorites, maybe looking to improve his GC position (all his other objectives have been fulfilled already).

If he'd gone with the break, he'd already have a couple of minutes of bonus...
(in such a big break, it's like being in the peloton)

 

[wouterkaas]

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Wow, Talansky has magically appeared in the race. I wasn't sure he was really here.

Is there a thread about the most invisible rider this year?

 

[del1962]

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Wow, Talansky has magically appeared in the race. I wasn't sure he was really here.

Is there a thread about the most invisible rider this year?

There is the ninja thread in the games section, but thats for highest placed invisible rider

 

[Blanco]

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All 5 riders above him in GC are stronger, so in my book he doesn't deserve it.

Let's just measure power output over a one-hour period and award the Tour to whoever scores highest then.

He stated that he deserves a better spot, I disagreed and explained my stand. Didn't really understood your point though..

 

[Laplaz]

Someone knows the composition of the break?

 

[Kazistuta]

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Someone knows the composition of the break?

http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2017/us/live/aso/index.html

Just click on the riders in the front group and a pop up with names appear...

 

[Pirazziattacks]

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Wow, Talansky has magically appeared in the race. I wasn't sure he was really here.

Is there a thread about the most invisible rider this year?

Zubeldia's presence in the race was exposed a few minutes ago, so he's out.

 

[MartinGT]

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Someone knows the composition of the break?

Jan Bakelants and Cyril Gautier (AG2R-La Mondiale), Carlos Betancur and Jesus Herrada (Movistar), Bauke Mollema (Trek-Segafredo), Alessandro De Marchi, Amaël Moinard and Nicolas Roche (BMC), Andrei Grivko, Bakhtiar Kozhatayev, Alexei Lutsenko and Michael Valgren (Astana), Darwin Atapuma, Kristjian Durasek, Marco Marcato, Ben Swift and Diego Ulissi (UAE), Rudy Molard (FDJ), Daryl Impey (Orica), Stephen Cummings, Serge Pauwels and Jaco Venter (Dimension Data), Gianluca Brambilla and Zdenek Stybar (Quick Step), Robert Kiserlovski, Maurits Lammertink, Tiago Machado and Nils Politt (Katusha), Tiejs Benoot, Thomas De Gendt, Tony Gallopin and Jurgen Roelandts (Lotto-Soudal), Simon Geschke (Sunweb), Dimitri Claeys, Nicolas Edet and Dani Navarro (Cofidis), Thomas Voeckler, Lilian Calmejane, Sylvain Chavanel, Romain Sicard and Angelo Tulik (Direct Energie), Pierre Rolland, Simon Clarke and Andrew Talansky (Cannondale), Sonny Colbrelli and Tsgabu Grmay (Bahrain-Merida), Guillaume Martin, Marco Minnaard and Dion Smith (Wanty), Brice Feillu, Elie Gesbert, Romain Hardy, Eduardo Sepulveda and Florian Vachon (Fortuneo).

 

[Ikbengodniet]

This stage misses a proper HC in the beginning. It is still 80 km till Vars. Even more boring than a sprint stage.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Sky should just give em 15 minutes unless froome is feeling superhuman, too many teammates in the break

Depends if Team Sky cares for the team classification.

 

[Laplaz]

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Someone knows the composition of the break?

Jan Bakelants and Cyril Gautier (AG2R-La Mondiale), Carlos Betancur and Jesus Herrada (Movistar), Bauke Mollema (Trek-Segafredo), Alessandro De Marchi, Amaël Moinard and Nicolas Roche (BMC), Andrei Grivko, Bakhtiar Kozhatayev, Alexei Lutsenko and Michael Valgren (Astana), Darwin Atapuma, Kristjian Durasek, Marco Marcato, Ben Swift and Diego Ulissi (UAE), Rudy Molard (FDJ), Daryl Impey (Orica), Stephen Cummings, Serge Pauwels and Jaco Venter (Dimension Data), Gianluca Brambilla and Zdenek Stybar (Quick Step), Robert Kiserlovski, Maurits Lammertink, Tiago Machado and Nils Politt (Katusha), Tiejs Benoot, Thomas De Gendt, Tony Gallopin and Jurgen Roelandts (Lotto-Soudal), Simon Geschke (Sunweb), Dimitri Claeys, Nicolas Edet and Dani Navarro (Cofidis), Thomas Voeckler, Lilian Calmejane, Sylvain Chavanel, Romain Sicard and Angelo Tulik (Direct Energie), Pierre Rolland, Simon Clarke and Andrew Talansky (Cannondale), Sonny Colbrelli and Tsgabu Grmay (Bahrain-Merida), Guillaume Martin, Marco Minnaard and Dion Smith (Wanty), Brice Feillu, Elie Gesbert, Romain Hardy, Eduardo Sepulveda and Florian Vachon (Fortuneo).

Thank you!

 

[Ikbengodniet]

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Wow, Talansky has magically appeared in the race. I wasn't sure he was really here.

Is there a thread about the most invisible rider this year?

Zubeldia's presence in the race was exposed a few minutes ago, so he's out.

Jani Brajkovic is fighting for this podium.

 

[Stilletto]

25 minute break soon

 

[Eagle]

Betancur ftw

 

[spalco]

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If he'd gone with the break, he'd already have a couple of minutes of bonus...
(in such a big break, it's like being in the peloton)

The break will get caught quickly when Sky hits the gas pedal.

If Barguil made the calculation that his chances for a good stage placement is better with the GC group I still think he made a good call.

 

[del1962]

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If he'd gone with the break, he'd already have a couple of minutes of bonus...
(in such a big break, it's like being in the peloton)

The break will get caught quickly when Sky hits the gas pedal.

If Barguil made the calculation that his chances for a good stage placement is better with the GC group I still think he made a good call.

With size of break it makes know difference, however I suspect he would just have followed Roglic who is not in break

 

[Jagartrott]

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The break will get caught quickly when Sky hits the gas pedal.

Sky is not divine, you know.
They're strong, but they cannot just reel in a 50-man break if 10-15 men are pulling there. Sky wasn't able to pull back the Movistar break with Quintana in last years Vuelta, costing Froome the overall.

That's also why it's actually good stage design *not* to include a HC climb early on in this stage, because otherwise a lot of power-riders would be shed early from the big break.

 

[spalco]

Sky isn't omnipotent, but big breaks rarely work well.

 

[Inquitus]

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If he has anything left, I think Martin might make this stage interesting.

Froome, Uran & Bardet are not going to risk much. Some minor argy-bargy in the last few km.

Landa is constrained by his team role.

Martin knows he deserves better than sixth and I reckon he won't care about risking a position or two to try & prove it.

He doesn't deserve, and he won't achieve it.

He clearly deserves it.... he's killed himself trying to make up the time he lost due to Riche Porte's crash. Also the rest of the GC guys are so dull to watch in comparison.

All 5 riders above him in GC are stronger, so in my book he doesn't deserve it.

I disagree he has not been distanced on any of the climbing stages with the exception of steep finish the day after his crash, he was in the GC group over the top yesterday before getting dropped on the descent.

 

[del1962]

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The break will get caught quickly when Sky hits the gas pedal.

Sky is not divine, you know.
They're strong, but they cannot just reel in a 50-man break if 10-15 men are pulling there. Sky wasn't able to pull back the Movistar break with Quintana in last years Vuelta, costing Froome the overall.

That's also why it's actually good stage design *not* to include a HC climb early on in this stage, because otherwise a lot of power-riders would be shed early from the big break.

A lot will depend on how much cooperation in the break

 

[sir fly]

In Serbia, such a stone formation can be found in Devil's Town... Down south.