Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 km

[Son of Amsterhammer]

Well I hope Richie is able to come back next season and continue where he left off. I was fearing the worst. I guess we'll find out his take on what exactly happened. I'm guessing he misjudged the bend there (or was unsighted somehow) and found himself too wide, then just ran out of road. Really sucks for the race. He may not have beaten Froome, but he wasn't going to let him take the race easily. Unfortunately Aru has gone and made it tough for me to pull for him after that move today. An exciting, but ultimately $#itty day for the race.

 

[spalco]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

 

[OmieeZF]

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To the headbutt gate it looks for certain Froome tries to push Aru off the road. Wheter its with head or elbow doesnt matter since its beyond dangerous riding.

No doubt DQ right there.

just re watched it on ITV and froome has a problem and when he comes of the bend he raises his right hand to apologise to Aru...

Strangely having just watched it on ITV I agree with David Millar who saw it as an elbow.

he said body check and you agree froome apologised after it?

He raised his hand and may have said something. Could have been an apology. Could also have been a dismissive 'don't mess with me' gesture.

Are you kidding me? Even Aru said he fell a bit to Froome's way because of a spectator, he said im sure there was nothing intentional in what froome did.

https://www.procycling.nl/2017/07/09/aru-zag-froome-pech-niet/

 

[portugal11]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

 

[Carols]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.

 

[This Charming Man]

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To the headbutt gate it looks for certain Froome tries to push Aru off the road. Wheter its with head or elbow doesnt matter since its beyond dangerous riding.

No doubt DQ right there.

just re watched it on ITV and froome has a problem and when he comes of the bend he raises his right hand to apologise to Aru...

Strangely having just watched it on ITV I agree with David Millar who saw it as an elbow.

he said body check and you agree froome apologised after it?

Wow, you believe David Millar?

 

[Mayo from Mayo]

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No doubt DQ right there.[/quote]
just re watched it on ITV and froome has a problem and when he comes of the bend he raises his right hand to apologise to Aru...[/quote]

Strangely having just watched it on ITV I agree with David Millar who saw it as an elbow.[/quote]
he said body check and you agree froome apologised after it?[/quote]

He raised his hand and may have said something. Could have been an apology. Could also have been a dismissive 'don't mess with me' gesture.[/quote]

Are you kidding me? Even Aru said he fell a bit to Froome's way because of a spectator, he said im sure there was nothing intentional in what froome did.

https://www.procycling.nl/2017/07/09/aru-zag-froome-pech-niet/[/quote]

I do not speak dutch, nor does Aru. I can translate French and thus have read l'equipe's report. It reports Aru as saying thst Froome was forced into him by a spectator not that he was pushed into Froome. L'equipe then goes on to state that Aru can not have seen the video.

https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Tour-de-france-promis-aru-et-froome-n-ont-pas-fait-expres/817064

 

[This Charming Man]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.

Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

 

[Carols]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.

Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

Doctor is saying 4 weeks off the bike, maybe six. No surgery. So doesn't sound to bad.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

What a wonderfully dramatic tour stage.

First, I hope Porte gets over the injury well, that was a bad crash.... and a pity it spoiled an almost certain win for Dan Martin.

Then, stellar ride by Fuglsang (apart from riding lead out for Aru at the finish, instead of going for the win himself - he was clearly the strongest in the group today) - Nice to see him back on form.

It will be interesting to see if Astana can utilize the two captains well for the remainder of the tour.... it seemed odd that Aru pulled a bunch of favorites within striking distance of Fuglsang, after he went away today, instead of sitting on Froomes wheel and giving him the responsibility of the chase..... Inexperience showing in that situation..... and poor leadership by Vino from the car, to not make sure it didn't happen.

Greatly surprised by Uran, and what a win, with a messed up gear!

Surely we'll see Cannondale start to ride 100 % for him from now on (full team, no breakaways unless as part of Urans strategy), since they got their stage win, and he is clearly in the form of his life.

Btw, remember how well he has done in TTs, late in GTs, in the past..... he might end up being Froomes greatest rival, if he gets no off days (like he has in the past).

I'd like to see Talansky, Roland, and the rest of the team, ride 100 % for Uran from now on, and see how far it carries..... Even Froome can get a crash (God forbid).

Dan Martin looks extremely strong.... Imagine what that guy could do, with a team dedicated to him going for the podium. I'd like to see him as a leader on a team like Trek.

AG2R really showed their mountain muscles today, and it is them, not Movistar", who will be able to put pressure on SKY the rest of the tour..... Bardet didn't quite have what it took today, and probably went away too late.... but the plan was there, and that will not be the last time.

- rest day, please be over..... NOW

 

[bob.a.feet]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.

 

[Carols]

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Wow LRP has broken collarbone and pelvis! Get well soon!!!
“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.

Andy had a pelvus fracture right?

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.

Google works

 

[armchairclimber]

Good stage. Glad Porte is ok .. ish. Some utterly crass stuff on this race thread. It must be July ... with clinic regulars venturing out.

 

[Ruby United]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

One of the more eventful stages in recent grand tour history, the past couple of days have really livened the tour up for better or worse. Sadly, looking at the remaining stages, there are basically only 1 and half stages in which someone can take time from Froome on a climb. They are going to have to start getting creative.

One and a half?
Stage 12 - http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tour-de-France-2017-stage-12-profile.jpg
Stage 18 - http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tour-de-France-2017-stage-18-profile.jpg
Stage 17 - http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tour-de-France-2017-stage-17-profile.jpg
Stage 13 - http://cycling-passion.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Tour-de-France-2017-stage-13-profile.jpg

That is 2 major summit finishes, one major mountain stage and a medium mountain stage that crests with 30k to the summit.
At least 3 stages all together.
Having said that, the route is incredibly disappointing.

 

[Oude Geuze]

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Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

The acetabulum is not associated with major vessels. You are thinking about a dislocated pelvic fracture, usually involving os ischium and os pubis. Might also involve os ilium. The femoral artery and vein as well as the obturator vessels traverse these structures making them liable to collateral tearing and bleeding. A fractured collum femoris could also yield severe bleedning, but is usually contained by the capsular ligament preventing substantial blood loss.

 

[armchairclimber]

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Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

The acetabulum is not associated with major vessels. You are thinking about a dislocated pelvic fracture, usually involving os ischium and os pubis. Might also involve os ilium. The femoral artery and vein as well as the obturator vessels traverse these structures making them liable to collateral tearing and bleeding. A fractured collum femoris could also yield severe bleedning, but is usually contained by the capsular ligament preventing substantial blood loss.

I'm glad you cleared that up, my daughter has a broken pelvis.

 

[Escarabajo]

So what happened today? most riders went brain dead?

Although Bob Roll gets a lot of criticism at NBC, I loved his comments today . This is what he had to say:

Why does Aru and the rest have to wait for Froome? so that he can gather his troops together and he can nail you later up the climb??? LOL
What's wrong with you Dan Martin? this is the best rider of the Tour in the best team, you use every opportunity you have to attack him!!!
You almost give a leader an advantage just because he is wearing the yellow jersey by waiting for him. Now you open a Pandora box because they should have waited for Dan Martin!!! LOL Froome is not waiting for him.
Why is Astana helping Froome chase Bardet?? let the leader chase every opportunity they have. That will always increase your probabilities of winning, not losing.

I have to say that Bardet is easier to defeat than Froome. Come on Astana you are smarter than that. You missed a chance.

Congratulations to Uran. Great rider and human being. This is a great victory in his career after coming second so many times.

 

[rhubroma]

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Well I hope Richie is able to come back next season and continue where he left off. I was fearing the worst. I guess we'll find out his take on what exactly happened. I'm guessing he misjudged the bend there (or was unsighted somehow) and found himself too wide, then just ran out of road. Really sucks for the race. He may not have beaten Froome, but he wasn't going to let him take the race easily. Unfortunately Aru has gone and made it tough for me to pull for him after that move today. An exciting, but ultimately $#itty day for the race.

After what Sky has done, do you really blame Aru? And who is to say he wasn't ordered to attack in that phase.

At any rate mud slings mud.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

This notion that you can't attack people with defects is *** - honestly.

What's next? - A sprinter gets a flat 5 km out, and the whole peloton slows down to wait for him to get back?

 

[Ruby United]

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Well I hope Richie is able to come back next season and continue where he left off. I was fearing the worst. I guess we'll find out his take on what exactly happened. I'm guessing he misjudged the bend there (or was unsighted somehow) and found himself too wide, then just ran out of road. Really sucks for the race. He may not have beaten Froome, but he wasn't going to let him take the race easily. Unfortunately Aru has gone and made it tough for me to pull for him after that move today. An exciting, but ultimately $#itty day for the race.

After what Sky has done, do you really blame Aru? And who is to say he wasn't ordered to attack in that phase.

At any rate mud slings mud.

No ways could the team director have seen what was happening and order Aru to attack and then for Aru to begin attacking in the time it took for Froome to put up his hand.

 

[fiddlers25]

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“X-rays confirmed a non-displaced right clavicle fracture and a non-displaced right acetabulum fracture. Richie also suffered extensive superficial abrasions involving the right side of his body. At this stage, the injuries will not require surgery. The plan is to re-evaluate Richie tomorrow morning and confirm that he is stable enough to be transferred home.”[/quote]

A pelvis fracture sounds bad, for a cyclist especially, but lucky outcome everything considered imo. I was really worried after seeing him crash against the wall there.

It doesn't look that dramatic in the slow-motion, but real time I was shocked. Maybe Martin being in his way saved him from suffering worse injuries.[/quote]
Andy had a pelvus fracture right?[/quote]

Sacrum, it is a different area than the acetabulum; the socket of the hipbone, into which the head of the femur fits.[/quote]
I crashed and had an acetabulum fracture and was riding on the trainer 2 weeks later and on the road with no problems after 4 weeks. The femur bangs into the socket and cracks it. Porte's was at much higher speed but it sounds like he'll be fine.

 

[Robert5091]

So the Queen Stage goes from hopes of exciting racing to SDB telling reporters to eff off - classy!

Glad to hear that LRP is not as bad as the crash looked.

 

[Escarabajo]

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How is Aru so much worse than 4 days ago?

Lack of racing kilometers. And it could happen again.

 

[Oude Geuze]

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Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

The acetabulum is not associated with major vessels. You are thinking about a dislocated pelvic fracture, usually involving os ischium and os pubis. Might also involve os ilium. The femoral artery and vein as well as the obturator vessels traverse these structures making them liable to collateral tearing and bleeding. A fractured collum femoris could also yield severe bleedning, but is usually contained by the capsular ligament preventing substantial blood loss.

I'm glad you cleared that up, my daughter has a broken pelvis.

I hope she has a speedy recovery

 

[rhubroma]

No Aru's problem was that he burnt matches, instead of making himself ready for the Froome attack. Had he not gone before, he'd have been just fine. Remember he was held up. Although if every rider had b-alls, this might have turned out to be an interesting race. Instead Richie said "hold up," then crashed out. And this is the difference between cycling in the 21 century-teens and the 80's and before obviously.