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Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 km

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Amazing stage. Hope Richie heals up well. So far the no 1 spot for stupidity must be FDJ sports director having 3 riders dangling along with Demare who clearly had no chance of making the time limit. Now they lost 4 riders instead of just 1.
 
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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss? :)

No, no, definitely a toin coss!! :D

So, a toin is a coin with 6 sides?

Yes, which you can coss meaningfully.

This is hard to save... :razz:

I had my salad cossed once
 
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Champ of the day was Kwiatkowski. Someone earlier noted he managed to finish 36 minutes down after only dropping on Mont du Chat, well he basically stopped and waited to help Majka.

https://twitter.com/GazetteDesSport/status/884075517334433793

I have to go with Uran, pushing a 53x11 and pulling up along side the rest on the last little ramp to get in their heads, then turning it over at the end to win the sprint. Kwiatkowski solid and Henao coming back after being dropped had a good pull as well
 
I think that the only thing that isn't allowed is riding on the opposite direction.

We don't know for sure if he stopped completely or stopped as in going very slow. A few years ago, Abdraimzhan Ishanov of Astana Continental Team pulled one of the most legendary moves of recent years at the Volta a Portugal, stopping to eat under a bridge when on a breakaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3p3ST55Zzk) and wasn't thrown out, so I guess it is allowed to stop (if not, how could someone stop to change a wheel or to do their natural breaks?).
 
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I think that the only thing that isn't allowed is riding on the opposite direction.

We don't know for sure if he stopped completely or stopped as in going very slow. A few years ago, Abdraimzhan Ishanov of Astana Continental Team pulled one of the most legendary moves of recent years at the Volta a Portugal, stopping to eat under a bridge when on a breakaway (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3p3ST55Zzk) and wasn't thrown out, so I guess it is allowed to stop (if not, how could someone stop to change a wheel or to do their natural breaks?).
What about the 3 riders who rode for about 3km in the opposite direction on the L'Aquila stage of the 2010 Giro?
 
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I've been forced to eat a bit of humble pie regarding Matthews. After previously being quite critical of his willingness to make stuff interesting, I have a lot of respect for the ride he pulled off today. Well done, Bling.

Was an amazing ride, especially when you consider that he rode top 3 the day before on a classic flat track.

He's clearly starting to blossom a bit at Sunweb ~ definitely not a one trick pony. Feel like he needs one really big win in the next year or two to avoid EBH syndrome.
 
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The Hegelian said:
winkybiker said:
I've been forced to eat a bit of humble pie regarding Matthews. After previously being quite critical of his willingness to make stuff interesting, I have a lot of respect for the ride he pulled off today. Well done, Bling.

Was an amazing ride, especially when you consider that he rode top 3 the day before on a classic flat track.

He's clearly starting to blossom a bit at Sunweb ~ definitely not a one trick pony. Feel like he needs one really big win in the next year or two to avoid EBH syndrome.

I think part of the Sagan-proofing they did to the green jersey this year means that will be the last chance Matthews gets to do a ride like that in the Tour. The sprint on stage 17 is after the descent off a cat2 climb, but other than that all the intermediates are before the big mountains of the day, and nobody's going to let Bling actually win a mountain stage. The intermediate on stage 13 is after 13.5kms!
 
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No one waited for Majka, Porte, Dan Martin, Thomas, or Contador and no one was expected to. Yet everyone is expected to stop for Froome?

Let's think this one through before pointing any fingers.

What was Froome's mechanical? Was it a flat, or was it some derailleur issue or something? Has anything been said? He changed bike rather than wheel, so it seemed to be a shifting problem. But 5km from the top of the final climb of the day, on a day when several gc contenders lost time due to crashes, 2 of them going out of the race altogether, and the stage was won by a guy who was stuck in his 11t for the finale, I'm struggling to understand why the the rest of the leaders should have waited for the MJ because "oh, hey guys, my Di2 is acting a bit funky, let me just go back to the car and get a new one." I think the honest reply (from Porte, Martin, Aru and all the others) should really have been "ummmm, if there's air in your tires, and your wheels can physically turn, then we aren't waiting."

I think a puncture or faulty brakes, with a 13km twisting descent to come, would obviously have been a safety issue, and worth waiting up. But anything short of that would surely have been a case of "you can choose between staying with us with your dodgy gears, or chasing back on with the crisp, accurate, precise shifting that Shimano is known for."
 
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The Hegelian said:
winkybiker said:
I've been forced to eat a bit of humble pie regarding Matthews. After previously being quite critical of his willingness to make stuff interesting, I have a lot of respect for the ride he pulled off today. Well done, Bling.

Was an amazing ride, especially when you consider that he rode top 3 the day before on a classic flat track.

He's clearly starting to blossom a bit at Sunweb ~ definitely not a one trick pony. Feel like he needs one really big win in the next year or two to avoid EBH syndrome.

He's never been a one-trick pony. His capacity to sprint and go up=hill have been obvious since his U-23 days. He's always been able to ride a good TT (has been 3rd at AUS Nats which is rarely a soft title) which has been seen both with TTT rides when at Orica and his wins/high showings in prologues/shorter TTs. He had a high placing at Jr RVV which hinted at some cobbles potential but there will still remain the issue of pursuing that seriously or Ardennes races (given his AGR/LBL results).

His move to Sunweb does allow him some starts that were (at least temporarily) not open at Orica with regards to cobbles and he can now seriously pursue the Green Jersey which was not going to be viable at a GC centred Orica. His main problem is the reality that he is of the same generation as Sagan and more often that not he may come up against him at many major races and his "win ratio" will be significantly less than it may have been without Sagan
 
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His move to Sunweb does allow him some starts that were (at least temporarily) not open at Orica with regards to cobbles and he can now seriously pursue the Green Jersey which was not going to be viable at a GC centred Orica. His main problem is the reality that he is of the same generation as Sagan and more often that not he may come up against him at many major races and his "win ratio" will be significantly less than it may have been without Sagan

How long you think Sunweb are going to hold off on throwing Dumoulin into the TdF GC battle? Unless there is 0km TT and 8 long summit finishes next year, I really can't see them not putting their weight behind Tom D.
 
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Froome lost two big men yesterday in Thomas and Porte!

Joking aside, I hope Porte heals up soon. Froome looked shaken up after seeing the images of it, and understandably so. Its common knowledge that they are close friends.

Is the loss of Thomas for Froome / Sky weakening for the Dawg? I dont think it will make that much change IMO. If it had been Kwia then I would have said yes. He has been immense this Tour.
 
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Froome lost two big men yesterday in Thomas and Porte!

Joking aside, I hope Porte heals up soon. Froome looked shaken up after seeing the images of it, and understandably so. Its common knowledge that they are close friends.

Is the loss of Thomas for Froome / Sky weakening for the Dawg? I dont think it will make that much change IMO. If it had been Kwia then I would have said yes. He has been immense this Tour.

It's always the same thing : if some rivals are really strong, then yes the loss of such a quality teammate can make a difference : imagine if 2015 Froome had lost Poels before the Alps, history might have been different.

BUT and that's the but, for that to be decisive you need at least one rival to be as dangerous as 2015 Quintana was, and this is were I have big doubts. If Froome doesn't suffer a big dip in form, Sky should be able to manage well, after all Dumoulin didn't even have one teammate as good as Kwiat in the mountain and still won that Giro.
 
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Australians are all poor bike handlers and all track riders. Most of the country is flat desert so its to be expected.
To win a grand tour you have to master all the aspects of riding.

Hope Richie gets well soon.