Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 km

[Affinity_M]

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A photo of Majka from today, taken from his fb page. I'm still amazed that he even finished the stage in this condition.

 

[TMP402]

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I'm sure if Aru needs one he'll get it..
Or maybe in tomorrows press conference. Okay?

There is no Sky press conference tomorrow - nor for a few other teams either...

 

[This Charming Man]

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Very likely career ending, also chance of death from internal bleeding. Any pelvis injury is life threatening.

The acetabulum is not associated with major vessels. You are thinking about a dislocated pelvic fracture, usually involving os ischium and os pubis. Might also involve os ilium. The femoral artery and vein as well as the obturator vessels traverse these structures making them liable to collateral tearing and bleeding. A fractured collum femoris could also yield severe bleedning, but is usually contained by the capsular ligament preventing substantial blood loss.

I'm glad you cleared that up, my daughter has a broken pelvis.

Sorry for my ignorance, I guess Ritchie got off lucky. Terrible wreck,hope he recovers soon.

 

[Tank Engine]

Richie's crash looked really bad. I'm glad that it looks like he'll come back from it. As might be expected from the route and the weather conditions there were a number of serious accidents. I wish them all a good recovery.

It just shows how thin the line between victory and defeat can be. Uran avoided the crash by inches. Dan Martin would have been the favourite in such a sprint. I was gutted for Barguil, he would have been a worthy winner (as would have Bardet).

The flat section was crucial. If Bardet had someone else who could pull, it could have been a lot different (especially, if one of the Astana boys had distanced Froome on the downhill). But with four guys, riding against one, Bardet was doomed.

As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

The first really big selection has been made.

 

[bob.a.feet]

Majka looks in some pain.

 

[Nacho]

Bardet sat up in the last few meters of the race today and Froome was able to get around him and get into 3rd and get a few bonus seconds. Froome might have caught him otherwise though.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Well I hope Richie is able to come back next season and continue where he left off. I was fearing the worst. I guess we'll find out his take on what exactly happened. I'm guessing he misjudged the bend there (or was unsighted somehow) and found himself too wide, then just ran out of road. Really sucks for the race. He may not have beaten Froome, but he wasn't going to let him take the race easily. Unfortunately Aru has gone and made it tough for me to pull for him after that move today. An exciting, but ultimately $#itty day for the race.

After what Sky has done, do you really blame Aru? And who is to say he wasn't ordered to attack in that phase.

At any rate mud slings mud.

No ways could the team director have seen what was happening and order Aru to attack and then for Aru to begin attacking in the time it took for Froome to put up his hand.

Ofcourse you are right on that score

That there is nothing wrong with Aru attacking anyway, is another story

 

[DanielSong39]

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No one waited for Majka, Porte, Dan Martin, Thomas, or Contador and no one was expected to. Yet everyone is expected to stop for Froome?

Let's think this one through before pointing any fingers.

 

[Tank Engine]

Hats off to Matthews for his ride today. He's really impressed me over the past couple of days and hope that the fight for the green jersey will continue.

Also, Mike Flowers had another great ride.

 

[PlanZ]

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I rarely post in here, but usually read through the comments to have a good laugh after I've watched the stage. But today I have to say that the trolling, rider insults and pure hatred has reached an all time low. The moderators on here really need to get a grip and stamp this sort of vile behaviour out .

Pete

Well said.
I've just watched a marvellous, if at times cruel, day's racing which reaffirmed my love of the sport, then read some of the vindictive and infantile invective from so-called cycling fans.
Why so toxic? Why the seething hatred?
Baffling.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Richie's crash looked really bad. I'm glad that it looks like he'll come back from it. As might be expected from the route and the weather conditions there were a number of serious accidents. I wish them all a good recovery.

It just shows how thin the line between victory and defeat can be. Uran avoided the crash by inches. Dan Martin would have been the favourite in such a sprint. I was gutted for Barguil, he would have been a worthy winner (as would have Bardet).

The flat section was crucial. If Bardet had someone else who could pull, it could have been a lot different (especially, if one of the Astana boys had distanced Froome on the downhill). But with four guys, riding against one, Bardet was doomed.

As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

The first really big selection has been made.

Fuglsang gave up a few interesting tidbits in his interview with danish television.

First, when he suddenly lost ground on the last downhill (when he was supposed to attack Froome like Bardet did), it was because the tire he got from a teammate earlier in the stage (after his puncture), was a different kind than the ones he rides on himself, so he was feeling uncertain and not able to go full gas on the steep parts (downhill is usually his speciality - he could usually keep up with Nibali).

On why he rode the sprint that way, he thought Uran would beat him on the line, so wanted to go early (on TV he looked faster than Uran when he kicked away with 400 to go, so seems like he was wrong).... and then when he was caught back, he was riding leadout for Aru, expecting him to go for the bonus seconds.

 

[Vasilis]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

No one waited for Majka, Porte, Dan Martin, Thomas, or Contador and no one was expected to. Yet everyone is expected to stop for Froome?

Let's think this one through before pointing any fingers.

Well I guess there's a difference between not waiting and attacking as soon as you see an issue arise.

 

[tobydawq]

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Richie's crash looked really bad. I'm glad that it looks like he'll come back from it. As might be expected from the route and the weather conditions there were a number of serious accidents. I wish them all a good recovery.

It just shows how thin the line between victory and defeat can be. Uran avoided the crash by inches. Dan Martin would have been the favourite in such a sprint. I was gutted for Barguil, he would have been a worthy winner (as would have Bardet).

The flat section was crucial. If Bardet had someone else who could pull, it could have been a lot different (especially, if one of the Astana boys had distanced Froome on the downhill). But with four guys, riding against one, Bardet was doomed.

As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

The first really big selection has been made.

Fuglsang gave up a few interesting tidbits in his interview with danish television.

First, when he suddenly lost ground on the last downhill (when he was supposed to attack Froome like Bardet did), it was because the tire he got from a teammate earlier in the stage (after his puncture), was a different kind than the ones he rides on himself, so he was feeling uncertain and not able to go full gas on the steep parts (downhill is usually his speciality - he could usually keep up with Nibali).

On why he rode the sprint that way, he thought Uran would beat him on the line, so wanted to go early (on TV he looked faster than Uran when he kicked away with 400 to go, so seems like he was wrong).... and then when he was caught back, he was riding leadout for Aru, expecting him to go for the bonus seconds.

He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

 

[Escarabajo]

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Of course Astana should work here. Why let Bardet take a minute? It's only stage nine - anything could happen to Froome yet in the next stages, but they don't want to get a minute behind Bardet when it could easily be prevented and need to overhaul two riders.

Because Bardet is much more beatable for Astana than Froome.

 

[Tank Engine]

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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Re: Tour de France 2017 stage 9: Nantua > Chambéry - 181,5 k

No one waited for Majka, Porte, Dan Martin, Thomas, or Contador and no one was expected to. Yet everyone is expected to stop for Froome?

Let's think this one through before pointing any fingers.

Well I guess there's a differente between nog waiting and attacking as soon as you see an issue arise.

Why?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Richie's crash looked really bad. I'm glad that it looks like he'll come back from it. As might be expected from the route and the weather conditions there were a number of serious accidents. I wish them all a good recovery.

It just shows how thin the line between victory and defeat can be. Uran avoided the crash by inches. Dan Martin would have been the favourite in such a sprint. I was gutted for Barguil, he would have been a worthy winner (as would have Bardet).

The flat section was crucial. If Bardet had someone else who could pull, it could have been a lot different (especially, if one of the Astana boys had distanced Froome on the downhill). But with four guys, riding against one, Bardet was doomed.

As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

The first really big selection has been made.

Fuglsang gave up a few interesting tidbits in his interview with danish television.

First, when he suddenly lost ground on the last downhill (when he was supposed to attack Froome like Bardet did), it was because the tire he got from a teammate earlier in the stage (after his puncture), was a different kind than the ones he rides on himself, so he was feeling uncertain and not able to go full gas on the steep parts (downhill is usually his speciality - he could usually keep up with Nibali).

On why he rode the sprint that way, he thought Uran would beat him on the line, so wanted to go early (on TV he looked faster than Uran when he kicked away with 400 to go, so seems like he was wrong).... and then when he was caught back, he was riding leadout for Aru, expecting him to go for the bonus seconds.

He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

As said, to me he looked faster, and I think he would have won, if he has held off till 150ish and kicked then.

 

[This Charming Man]

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Best Tour stage I have seen in a long time. Leaving out the injuries.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss?

The infamous 6 sided coin :razz:

 

[tobydawq]

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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss?

No, no, definitely a toin coss!!

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss?

No, no, definitely a toin coss!!

So, a toin is a coin with 6 sides?

 

[Ruby United]

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As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

I will never forget that stage. One of the best attacks I have seen turned into the biggest fail I have seen.
I laugh just thinking about it.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

I will never forget that stage. One of the best attacks I have seen turned into the biggest fail I have seen.
I laugh just thinking about it.

Fuglsang is not selfish enough yet..... too many years as a dom on the backbone

 

[Eagle]

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As for the Astana guys riding with Froome. As well as trying to catch Bardet, they were distancing Martin and Quintana. Overall, it made sense to chase. I don't know what Birdsong was doing in the sprint though. It wasn't at the level of the Liquigas failure to get Nibali bonus seconds in a 4 on 1 sprint in the Vuelta a few years back, but that was a real brainfart.

I will never forget that stage. One of the best attacks I have seen turned into the biggest fail I have seen.
I laugh just thinking about it.

They still won the stage and gained time on all of the GC rivals, hardly the biggest fail

 

[tobydawq]

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He probably didn't know that Urán was stuck in his smallest chainring - if he did, he should have had enough confidence in his sprint to wait (because then it would have been a toin coss between the six, while a solo effort from 550 metres out was always unlikely to succeed).

Surely a die roll and not a coin toss?

No, no, definitely a toin coss!!

So, a toin is a coin with 6 sides?

Yes, which you can coss meaningfully.

This is hard to save... :razz: