Tour de France 2020 | Stage 11 (Châtelaillon-Plage - Poitiers, 167.5 km)

[Breezy1985]

Bennett now something like 68 points clear of Sagan?

Some of the mountain stages to come have the intermediate sprint before the climbs too, so Sagan may not be able to hoover those up away from Bennett.

Coquard in 3rd place as reward for his consistent averageness

 

[Valv.Piti]

Well, it's actually nice not to feel alone for once.

Been disliking Sagan for a while now. Dangerous sprints and the cocky, arrogant persona does it for me and then to top it off, the media seems to be completely in love with him which makes him even more annoying to me since he apparently cant do anything wrong and "is such a good sport, amazing rider bla. bla. bla."

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Seriously? There's a line there. From the start of his sprint until he gets the stomp, WVA maybe moves 20 cm left and 20 cm right. You can't sprint much more in a straight line than that. Sagan speculated on a gap opening up. The gap was too tight - OK, then that's bad luck and you try another day.

exactly. Sagan it seems is feeling the pressure to get a result, both in stage terms and in the race for green and tried to force open a hole that wasn’t there. It’s a clearcut relegation.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Looks like it, just seen a table that has Sagan on 175, which he started the day on.

Interesting. I can’t really recall that being relevant before so I never knew how it worked

 

[Broccolidwarf]

maybe this:

View: https://youtu.be/7pzZwU72qPA?t=3931


watch at 0.25 speed. Follow Sagan and watch the rider in fluo yellow (Vantomme)

No idea what you are referring to?

Sagae appears to come in 3rd alone, ahead of the peloton?

 

[Wvv]

On the other hand, everyone has a clue you are a hater

Which I'm not, he's a fantastic athlete and a proven gem for the sport and new fans. However, his mentality hasn't always been likeable.

 

[Bonimenier]

Now idea what you are referring to?

Sagae appears to come in 3rd,. ahead of the peloton?

You should stop living in denial.

 

[movingtarget]

Coquard in 3rd place as reward for his consistent averageness

Robbie McEwen was talking about him. Thinks he needed to add a few kgs of muscle to compete with the elite sprinters. He does look pretty slight compared to the others.

 

[SKSemtex]

I wish Sagan DNF now take a week off and go for pre-Giro classics. This can save his season.
I hate this fight for the green on meaningles intermediate sprints.

 

[Jagartrott]

I don't think he is particularly "dirty", compared to the other top sprinters, they all push and shove in the last 500...... he's just the one all eyes go to, all the time, because he is Sagan

You've repeated three times now in this thread that "all sprinters do it". How much pushing and shoving from all those top sprinters have we seen this Tour? Bennett once, a bit, and that's about it I think.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Robbie McEwen was talking about him. Thinks he needed to add a few kgs of muscle to compete with the elite sprinters. He does look pretty slight compared to the others.

the fastest sprinters in the race are Ewan and Bennett, two of the lightest top sprinters. It’s not like he’s racing in the era of Kittel and Greipel anymore

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Which I'm not, he's a fantastic athlete and a proven gem for the sport and new fans. However, his mentality hasn't always been likeable.

I have no idea what you are on about, when speaking of his "mentality"?

Also, I still don't see him doing anything, that any other sprinter doesn't also do.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

You've repeated three times now in this thread that "all sprinters do it". How much pushing and shoving from all those top sprinters have we seen this Tour? Bennett once, a bit, and that's about it I think.

A LOT.

Try re-watching the bunch sprints this Tour, and look at the fight for position, the last kilometre - they are all bumping each other constantly, incl. Bennett.

The reason we see guys like Sagan do it closer to the finish line, is because they have no train to deliver them in perfect position, so they have to fight their way through.

But the actual pushing and showing they all do, the sprinters with a proper train just do it slightly further from the line.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

A LOT.

Try re-watching the bunch sprints this Tour, and look at the fight for position, the last kilometre - they are all bumping each other constantly, incl. Bennett.

Sagan went beyond a bit of bumping, he used force to try to open a hole that simply wasn’t there. What’s more, as the absolutely natural reaction to being surprise pushed in one direction during a sprint is to lean heavily back in the direction the push came from, Sagan took a substantial risk of ending up in the barriers himself at top speed. Commissionaires absolutely cannot tolerate that.

 

[Forever The Best]

Sagan sprints more reckless than any sprinter in the peloton, maybe apart from Bouhanni. There are many examples and you asking for one shows that you for some reason have not noticed this behaviour from Sagan in sprints before which is hard for me to understand...

Gent-Wevelgem 2017 sealed it for me. That was not a sprint situation though, but rather before Kemmelberg IIRC.

 

[Carols]

I have no idea what you are on about, when speaking of his "mentality"?

Also, I still don't see him doing anything, that any other sprinter doesn't also do.

You have a vid of Wout doing a shoulder barge followed by a head butt? Show me please!

 

[Luthor]

Looks like it, just seen a table that has Sagan on 175, which he started the day on.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1303731982631940097

View: https://twitter.com/felixmattis/status/1303731982631940097

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1303731982631940097

View: https://twitter.com/felixmattis/status/1303731982631940097

Lol the rule book really does have some obscure quirks in it

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

From letour.fr

Rank	Rider	Rider No.	Team	Points	P
1	SAM BENNETT	43	DECEUNINCK - QUICK - STEP	243 PTS	-
2	PETER SAGAN	21	BORA - HANSGROHE	175 PTS	P : 13
3	BRYAN COQUARD	211	B&B HOTELS - VITAL CONCEPT P / B KTM	157 PTS	-

So I guess that "P:13" means that he was indeed penalised the 13 points he got in today's intermediate sprint in addition to relegation from his finish line position.
Edit: (or what the Twitter above says)

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Sagan went beyond a bit of bumping, he used force to try to open a hole that simply wasn’t there. What’s more, as the absolutely natural reaction to being surprise pushed in one direction during a sprint is to lean heavily back in the direction the push came from, Sagan took a substantial risk of ending up in the barriers himself at top speed. Commissionaires absolutely cannot tolerate that.

I think people are making this a way bigger issue than it is.

Van Aert was moved about 30 centimeters by a slight bump, it happens all day, every day in cycling.

I agree with him being declassed, because he did impede Van Aert's sprint, but people talking about Sagan being DQd over such a small action are crazy IMO

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Why is he so hated one of the most exciting riders in the peloton?

I don’t think he is generally hated. I mean he’s one of the most successful riders and one of the more flamboyant personalities, so of course he has both fans and detractors but he’s more loved than loathed on average. I have a problem with the way he’s been sprinting in this race, which has been consistently too physical.

 

[Luthor]

Lol the rule book really does have some obscure quirks in it

yep, I thought the relegation also meant the points from the intermediate sprint.

 

[movingtarget]

the fastest sprinters in the race are Ewan and Bennett, two of the lightest top sprinters. It’s not like he’s racing in the era of Kittel and Greipel anymore

I think he meant it wouldn't hurt to try something different as he's always been just outside the best level.

 

[huangho]

Is a sprint at 70kph, a small bump can be dramatic, nothing happened here regarding accidents, but something needs to be corrected in order to avoid future crashs in the finish line because of those actions...

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I think people are making this a way bigger issue than it is.

Van Aert was moved about 30 centimeters by a slight bump, it happens all day, every day in cycling.

I agree with him being declassed, because he did impede Van Aert's sprint, but people talking about Sagan being DQd over such a small action are crazy IMO

it doesn’t happen at absolute top speed at the peak of a sprint right up against the barriers without the guy responsible getting punished. If Van Aert had leaned back harder, Sagan could easily have ended up in the barriers.