Very strange and didn’t realise that’s how they worked it out. I just presumed that as he ended the day on the same points, they were wiped off.
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Yeah, except that Van Aert and Ewan also have no train and don't need to resort to shoulder barges. During the sprint, I've only seen Sagan and Bennett doing it this Tour. And Bennett's infringement was pretty minor. Clean sprinting should be applauded. And it doesn't impede excitement - Ewan's first win was fantastic sprinting, without ever doing something wrong.
Never said he should be DQd, it's too much obviously. I said that something should be done and the relegation is the correct penalty.I think people are making this a way bigger issue than it is.
Van Aert was moved about 30 centimeters by a slight bump, it happens all day, every day in cycling.
I agree with him being declassed, because he did impede Van Aert's sprint, but people talking about Sagan being DQd over such a small action are crazy IMO
I agree. Although one might argue that it is more dangerous to bump into other riders in a sprint than 3 km's from the finish. In the end I find that the relegation is OK, but I have seen examples of this happening before with no punishment. And for this reason let's at least just hope that the jury will be consistent from now on.
On another note, I don't understand all this hatred towards Sagan. It is clearly not dispassionate men that pull the levers on this forum. Not that we as cycling fans are expected to be dispassionate men, but the reactions here are bordering on the extreme and seems to not contain much nuance.
he is a smart sprinter although as the correct tactic for him in this race consists of nailing himself to Bennett’s wheel come hell or high water he doesn’t actually have to be!
We could stop the race 300 meters from the finish line, line all the sprinters up in a straight line, and tell them to sprint to the line side by side, that would take care of all the pushing and showing
So are you one of the "crazy ones", that think he should be thrown out of the race?
The part I don't understand: If you behave badly in a sprint and you don't make the rider fall you get disqualified for that stage. But if the rider does fall they send you home.
What is book with the rules saying?
What is book with the rules saying?
That is oh so easy to say. This is the moment that Sagan decides to start sprinting for the gap:
Seems to be a gap. A tiny gap, but a bigger gap than Ackermann had to be sure. This is the moment Wout drifts slightly left (not that it was intentional, but there he is):
At this point what do you do? His momentum is carrying him into van Aert. He can slam the brakes and risk being crashed into, and will likely bump into Wout anyways without any chance to position himself as he is reaching for the brakes. He can crash into the barrier. Or he can bump into Van Aert. He has milliseconds to decide.
Again, the risky move is taking the line at all. The rest is just punishing riders for the consequences, not their decisions.
Expect all hell to break loose by BORA tomorrow and on Friday's stages? Sagan can gain back massive points if he wins tomorrow and take the intermediate sprint of Friday, maybe even try to OOT Bennett. He doesn't look too good on the climbs, and the third week is brutal
Calm down.
He pushed his head against Van Aert's shoulder..... a head butt is head to head
I never loathed or loved him. I admired his skill and results but sometimes his behavior has been a bit boorish and childish but he seems to have grown out of that. I didn't see much wrong with the sprint but I don't have a real problem with the decision either. Ten years ago no one would have blinked. The sport has changed and I guess what happened in Poland is still on a lot of people's minds. Compared to now the sprints from 20 years ago were filthy but the riders seemed to accept it most of the time. Time's change for good and bad. If they are going to clean up the sprints maybe they should also work on the routes as well............
Sagan boxed himself, just stop sprinting and fight another day, that's it...That is oh so easy to say. This is the moment that Sagan decides to start sprinting for the gap:
Seems to be a gap. A tiny gap, but a bigger gap than Ackermann had to be sure. This is the moment Wout drifts slightly left (not that it was intentional, but there he is):
At this point what do you do? His momentum is carrying him into van Aert. He can slam the brakes and risk being crashed into, and will likely bump into Wout anyways without any chance to position himself as he is reaching for the brakes. He can crash into the barrier. Or he can bump into Van Aert. He has milliseconds to decide.
Again, the risky move is taking the line at all. The rest is just punishing riders for the consequences, not their decisions.
@carlton:
You do realise in a sprint your upper body moves left and right? His wheels are still the same position compared to the line. Sagan sought a gap that wasn't there.
You do realise in a sprint your upper body moves left and right? His wheels are still the same position compared to the line. Sagan sought a gap that wasn't there.
This picture tells it all.That is oh so easy to say. This is the moment that Sagan decides to start sprinting for the gap:
Seems to be a gap. A tiny gap, but a bigger gap than Ackermann had to be sure. This is the moment Wout drifts slightly left (not that it was intentional, but there he is):
At this point what do you do? His momentum is carrying him into van Aert. He can slam the brakes and risk being crashed into, and will likely bump into Wout anyways without any chance to position himself as he is reaching for the brakes. He can crash into the barrier. Or he can bump into Van Aert. He has milliseconds to decide.
Again, the risky move is taking the line at all. The rest is just punishing riders for the consequences, not their decisions.
he body-checked the yellow rider, some seconds after the video starts. At the bottom of the screen.
check another point of view here:
'Crapuleuze' Sagan reageert zelf op hetze na por in volle koers: "Sorry, maar deze dingen gebeuren"
"Ik vrees dat ik een aanval moet lanceren op de wereldkampioen." Met die woorden startte Karl Vannieuwkerke een heuse rel in de wielerwereld. Vannieuwkerke toonde woensdag in Extra Time Koers vervolgens een fragment uit Gent-Wevelgem, waarop te zien is hoe Peter Sagan net voor de Kemmelberg een...
www.nieuwsblad.be
As a Dane, I watch Moerkoev quite a lot during sprint finishes, and because many of the sprinters want his wheel, there is constantly a lot of pushing and showing going on right behind him, around Bennett.
I have seen most sprinters doing it this race, with Van Aert and Ewan being the notable exceptions.
Van Aert probably because he is not really a sprinter, and as such not used to the fight for position in the same way - and Ewan rarely engages in that kind of thing, probably because he is too light to put up a fight anyway.
So are you one of the "crazy ones", that think he should be thrown out of the race?
no I think that relegation is enough to send a message. if you get boxed in against the barriers, it’s frustrating, but you back off and live to sprint another day.
There is nothing you can do to stop bumping in a cycling sprint stage, it will be here in 100 years
Jury got it right, DQ is appropriate and enough. Sagan used the push to open space that simply wasn't there, and continued to deviate from the line afterwards. Too aggressive.
Only problem is that it doesn't help Wout, who I think would have won w/o the head-butt.
Only problem is that it doesn't help Wout, who I think would have won w/o the head-butt.
he body-checked the yellow rider, some seconds after the video starts. At the bottom of the screen.
check another point of view here:
'Crapuleuze' Sagan reageert zelf op hetze na por in volle koers: "Sorry, maar deze dingen gebeuren"
"Ik vrees dat ik een aanval moet lanceren op de wereldkampioen." Met die woorden startte Karl Vannieuwkerke een heuse rel in de wielerwereld. Vannieuwkerke toonde woensdag in Extra Time Koers vervolgens een fragment uit Gent-Wevelgem, waarop te zien is hoe Peter Sagan net voor de Kemmelberg een...
Now I see it.
Was that payback for something?
Seems unnecessary otherwise
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