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More like Tadej IndurainMore like Tadej Roche. Very similar to 87
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apologies. I was just analysing if Roglic could have taken more time, and if he should have taken more time.Alright lets keep the Clinic talk to the Clinic.
Froome has used this tactic again and again for the last decade - and what does he have to show for it? Nothing! Contador the same, rode stupidly in 2015 at the Giro to try to take time from rivals at all time and he lost it all.Simon Yates used that tactic in the Giro. I wonder how that ended up for him...
Didn't have the legs on stage 8. He didn't tell his team to ride, the DS did. He told his team to ride on other stages. Didn't have a gap on Pogacar once on stage 9. Didn't have a gap on him on stage 13, and he was emptying the tank to drop Bernal there anyway. On stage 15 he got beaten by Pog. Stage 16 nothing happened. Stage 17 he dropped Pog. Stage 18 he's suppose to risk more on a descent?They don't have to predict zilch, taking time when you can is the right thing to do.
You don't need to predict something to know that something is possible and to act accordingly. And of course being the best for a portion of the race matters in this case. It's not like Roglič was the best during the first three stages only. He had plenty of opportunities to act on his superiority.
Oh but that would have meant taking some risks. Can't take them risks.
Oh snap turns out not trying to take more time was a risk in itself. Why did nobody tell them?
ofcourse you know that. Have you ever been in a race? You immediately feel who is better and who isn't.I'm surprised riders are supposed to know with 100% accuracy how good their rivals are,
According to Roglic, he did. Just didn't want to follow him because he didn't want the yellow jersey, or so he claimed.Didn't have the legs on stage 8. He didn't tell his team to ride, the DS did. He told his team to ride on other stages. Didn't have a gap on Pogacar once on stage 9. Didn't have a gap on him on stage 13, and he was emptying the tank to drop Bernal there anyway. On stage 15 he got beaten by Pog. Stage 16 nothing happened. Stage 17 he dropped Pog. Stage 18 he's suppose to risk more on a descent?
Contador, Froome, etc all have defended much thinner leads without attacking, and nobody then pretended they rode like Rodriguez in the 2012 Giro.
Stage 8 is the only case and it largely rests on assigning Roglic record shattering legs when we simply don't know.I strongly recall Dumoulin trying to put time into Froome at every occasion.
Sorry, but this loss (and it is a loss) is even worse than Nibali's last season. It's not even about knowing how good rivals might be, it's also knowing that a puncture at the top of the final climb on stage 18 could lose you the race. Roglic let Pogacar up the road, which was a bad decision not just because he underestimated Pogacar but also because on that stage he didn't put any time into Bernal and others, while also burning out Dumoulin. GC riding is simpler than people here make it out to be. Of course, you have to be wary about recovery and balancing yourself out over three weeks, but you also have to take time from your rivals. Roglic attacked maybe twice all race, and one was for show. 50 seconds is not a buffer, and he should have been more active.
For me that woudl be everybody but that's not rocket science heyofcourse you know that. Have you ever been in a race? You immediately feel who is better and who isn't.
Stage 18?Stage 8 is the only case and it largely rests on assigning Roglic record shattering legs when we simply don't know.
This is nonsense. Stage 8 might have been the only time when Jumbo inexplicably let a threat up the road.Stage 8 is the only case and it largely rests on assigning Roglic record shattering legs when we simply don't know.
To be completely honest, by what I said (you immediately feel who is better in the race...): maybe Roglic felt during some stages that Pogacar was better. So that could be a good reason why he didn't try to take time on him (or why he let him go on Peyresourde). The Meribel stage felt like Pogacar was about to crack though. But maybe (most probably) Roglic gave evertything he had, and that resulted in 15 seconds at the line.For me that woudl be everybody but that's not rocket science hey
Yates showed a sign of weakness before his collapse. He simply had nothing left in the tank.Simon Yates used that tactic in the Giro. I wonder how that ended up for him...
They don't have to predict zilch, taking time when you can is the right thing to do.
You don't need to know the future to know that something is possible and to act accordingly. And of course being the best for a portion of the race matters in this case. It's not like Roglič was the best during the first three stages only. He had plenty of opportunities to act on his superiority.
Oh but that would have meant taking some risks. Can't take them risks.
Oh snap turns out not trying to take more time was a risk in itself. Why did nobody tell them?
They had a couple chances, and that was with their team doing their most so that no chances came up. Nobody saw Pogačar putting 2 minutes into the field in the final TT but he would still have won the Tour if it had only been 1 minute. Or if it had been 30 seconds and Roglič had punctured.I agree that Roglic could've attacked more but where exactly was he going to take more time on Pogacar? Grand Colombier was wasted no doubt but it was wasted by everyone in the race. He pushed very hard on Puy Mary and had Pogacar dying on his wheel, and then dropped him on Loze. He still loses the Tour if he follows him on the Peyresourde. Nobody on earth saw Pogacar putting 2 minutes into the field in the final TT.
The winning team
Kristoff looks like Pogs dad
Early August I said that Roglic was peaking too early. But do they listen? Oh, no...
Admitted, after Wednesday I thought he had it in the bag...
Roglic should have read this forum, he would have find out that his ITT at the end of a Grand Tour is crap.