Tour de France 2020 | Stage 8 (Gazeres-sur-Geronne - Loudenvielle

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That was why I raised the additional paragraph about Quintana. I don't think Quintana deserves the criticism he gets for being negative a lot of the time, as his style of picking two or three stages to use, one to test people and one or two to go from deep, is no different to that used by some riders who are beloved for their aggression, however when he doesn't have it, he just sits in. Bernal strikes me as similar.

What we also have to remember is that though he's the defending champion, Bernal has never been to a GT as leader and marked man before, and to do that for the first time as the defending champion of the Tour de France is a whole different set of pressures.
Oh, I was one of the biggest criticizers of Quintana between 2015 Tour-2017 Giro but he is more aggressive than most of the GC contenders. Some of his rides in last years Vuelta was great ( winning a hilly stage by an attack, gaining massive time in crosswinds ). At the moment he also has a very weak team which would make his job hard if he gets yellow so I'm excusing him ( however I think he could have allied with Roglic and Pogacar to gain time on the likes of Bernal ).

And yes, Bernal is on a different kind of pressure at the moment and last year he was co-leader unlike now. And he seems similar to Quintana where he picks a stage or two but what was frustrating about Quintana between 2015-2017 was that he left it too late ( TDF 2015 Stage 19 for example, his placing was almost secure but he only waited till the last 6 km ), or the 2017 Giro where he did not look like taking repsonsibility in stages 16 ( the queen stage ) or 20 ( the last mountain stage ).
 
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Roglič confirmed for Slovenian tv that he would be able to cover Pogačar but didn't, because team doesn't want yellow Jersey in the first week of racing. Roglič is very strong but team plans are very conservative.
That sounds like nonsense. Why wouldn't they want the yellow jersey? They are already riding the race as a team as though they are leading; what difference does it make if Roglic is in a slightly different shade of yellow?
 
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Wow, Jumbo have shown to be vulnerable for the first time. Kuss, Bennett and Dumoulin all weaker than expected. If this is the start of a new trend, they may quickly start to regret that Kruijswjik has been injured. Pogacar now definetely looks like someone who could even even despite his losses yesterday.

I'm glad to see Uran doing well. He most likely would've finished in the top6 among favourites if it was a MTF today. EF knew what they were doing announcing him the leader. I would've never thought he would get this good this quickly. He's only ridden 2 races since taking severe injuries during last year's Vuelta. I feared he would never be at his former level again.

EF look good for the team classification too.
 
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Pogačar and Roglič have a special bond.
Roglič also said he didn't want to follow Pog because he was a Slovenian (friend).

I think when hardest stage come and Doms drop Roglič and Pogačar will work together to destroy the rest (remember Vuelta?).
Cycling is not math.
You can't take for granted that other riders won't become stronger as stages go.
 
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Honestly Quintana looked the strongest today. No way he wants the yellow before the Alps, however.
Agree. Though he might be tempted on Marie Blanc tomorrow, but he will probably need to get a nudge from someone else attacking first.
 
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Roglič confirmed for Slovenian tv that he would be able to cover Pogačar but didn't, because team doesn't want yellow Jersey in the first week of racing. Roglič is very strong but team plans are very conservative.
This is insane. How much more energy would he have expended additionally, and how much time would he have won on rivals? JV is working anyway, so what's this 'don't take yellow too early' BS? You gain time whenever you feel good, and you don't gift away time to rivals. It really is not that difficult.
 
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That sounds like nonsense. Why wouldn't they want the yellow jersey? They are already riding the race as a team as though they are leading; what difference does it make if Roglic is in a slightly different shade of yellow?

it is bloody nonsense. Just race talk. Pog pace was brutal and they would have red zoned hard to keep up. That’s why you didn’t see all the big names trying to attack because they were close to limit.
 
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This is insane. How much more energy would he have expended additionally, and how much time would he have won on rivals? JV is working anyway, so what's this 'don't take yellow too early' BS? You gain time whenever you feel good, and you don't gift away time to rivals. It really is not that difficult.

Actually I thought it was the way that Roglic said it was - but now that he said it openly I think he's bluffing :D
 
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Pogacar looked strong today but you shouldnt forgot that he is expending a lot of energy, today but also yesterday I saw him trying to reduce the gap by himself in the echelon stage. I think in the end he will lose this war of attrition and not finish on the podium.
 
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That sounds like nonsense. Why wouldn't they want the yellow jersey? They are already riding the race as a team as though they are leading; what difference does it make if Roglic is in a slightly different shade of yellow?
It seems they are riding to a prior plan, based around having the strongest rider and the strongest train. So far the race has played out about in line with their plan. The test they have yet to face is when a bit of the unexpected kicks in: rain, Roglic falls, mechanicals, attacks during a pitstop, crazy mutant attacks from someone like Landa, Movistar, Carapaz, etc. I wonder if they have burnt too many matches too soon, for too little gain.

Carapaz going solo (if he has the form) would arguably cost Ineos nothing (since Bernal can sit in behind Jumbo) and really light things up.
 
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it is bloody nonsense. Just race talk. Pog pace was brutal and they would have red zoned hard to keep up. That’s why you didn’t see all the big names trying to attack because they were close to limit.
Yep. And why drop Adam Yates in the first place if you don't want the yellow jersey?
 
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Roglič confirmed for Slovenian tv that he would be able to cover Pogačar but didn't, because team doesn't want yellow Jersey in the first week of racing. Roglič is very strong but team plans are very conservative.

So why in earth they had to put Tommy D pulling in that case? Why did they pull in the first place if Roglic wasn't there to gain time on main rivals?

Roglic really starts to feel like a rider who does not like wind towards his face, unless it is the wind that blows during last km. Can someone find out when he has initiated long range attack last time?
 

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So why in earth they had to put Tommy D pulling in that case? Why did they pull in the first place if Roglic wasn't there to gain time on main rivals?

Roglic really starts to feel like a rider who does not like wind towards his face, unless it is the wind that blows during last km. Can someone find out when he has initiated long range attack last time?
Lombardia 2018.
But I presume you were referring to GTs. In which case I really can't remember (at least when fighting for GC).
 
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pog was lapping juniors in a race when he was 13.

cycling is fun to watch when riders who were amazing from an early age are smashing it also at very young ages in the world tour. i would argue that this is a cause for hope rather than the opposite... my 2 cents.
Something of the Sagan or Valverde about him. A massive natural talent who would be at the top regardless of any other factors.