Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 3: Lorient - Pontivy, 183.9 km

[Leinster]

he was pushed by Colbrelli and went down

I've seen a clip that shows Colbrelli gesticulating at Roglic after the fact. I've seen nothing to show that Colbrelli, or anyone other than Roglic, caused the crash. Certainly nothing to show that on a straight road, with the peloton riding 8 abreast, that course design had any causal impact, which was my point.

 

[topt]

I will bet everything I have that Roglic touched Colbrelli's rear wheel, and Colbrelli probably was a bit upset because he probably almost lost his balance as well.

Those who claim it was a bodycheck (Zinoviev!), please come up with evidence, because for now, you are accusing Colbrelli of something very serious.

what the hell, Roglic was infront of Colbrelli

 

[titan31]

Should they ride in something like this?

This would work I think

 

[Rackham]

On what basis? That video shows a rider falling off, nothing more, nothing less.

The video shows a rider with a leftward velocity going into the ditch from a straight line position.

 

[hayneplane]

Kwiatkowski wanted a prologue. Maybe he was correct.

How would that have helped today. The Puncheurs finished on the opening two stages plus the bonus seconds had already created some separation on the GC.

 

[Andy262]

Just watched on +1. That was pretty desperate stuff,

 

[Broccolidwarf]

As for Roglic, I don't see why his race should be over.

His crash wasn't at particularly high speed, and sure he looked banged up, but I think that is because he slid across gravel, that tore up his clothes much more that asphalt would.

 

[Leinster]

Is this a "sorry" gesture, or (what it looks like to me) "look where you're going, idiot"?

Too bad there was no heli shot there; can't really blame Colbrelli without further info.

I think definitely the latter.

From this angle, you can't tell if Roglic is in front, behind, or beside Colbrelli when he hops up in the air.

 

[Carols]

I will bet everything I have that Roglic touched Colbrelli's rear wheel, and Colbrelli probably was a bit upset because he probably almost lost his balance as well.

Those who claim it was a bodycheck (Zinoviev!), please come up with evidence, because for now, you are accusing Colbrelli of something very serious.

That's what was claimed NBC Sports, someone came over on him and pushed him off the course .
Also JV DS says he was Pushed off the road. No name mentioned.

 

[HelloDolly]

Roglic DS saying he is not good ...went to hospital with Stephen K

Pog thinks it s the roads too and the riders asked for neutralization before the race

https://twitter.com/x/status/1409544585294934016

View: https://twitter.com/cyclingtips/status/1409544585294934016?s=20

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

If falls on these roads are inevitable, how come nobody predicted them? Did anyone on this forum, or amontg those closely related to the race, complain in advance that this was a dangerous route?
I read of riders aware that being in a good position from about 14km out as being important, but that is about tactics, not safety, and the race to a pinch point is key to the sport.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Those who claim it was a bodycheck (Zinoviev!), please come up with evidence, because for now, you are accusing Colbrelli of something very serious.

What? I think you may have the wrong poster in mind…

 

[Breezy1985]

How would that have helped today. The Puncheurs finished on the opening two stages plus the bonus seconds had already created some separation on the GC.

Kwiato is now on Twitter blaming the UCI for the crashes. Nothing about Thomas being responsible for his own crash

 

[Broccolidwarf]

This would work I think

My team is:

Ganna, Dennis, Asgreen, Bissegger, Küng, De Gendt & Van Aert.

 

[saganftw]

If falls on these roads are inevitable, how come nobody predicted them? Did anyone on this forum, or amontg those closely related to the race, complain in advance that this was a dangerous route?
I read of riders aware that being in a good position from about 14km out as being important, but that is about tactics, not safety, and the race to a pinch point is key to the sport.

riders wanted neutralization at 8km...my humble opinion it wouldnt have helped anyway

 

[Volderke]

What? I think you may have the wrong poster in mind…

My bad if I did. I will edit my post accordingly, apologies.

 

[titan31]

Quite right, cycling needs to learn how to stop bicycles turning into a fireball of death after every crash.


I think everyone agrees that there should be certain guidelines on the course design etc, but comparison with closed-circuit course like F1, where even on street-circuits they close down half the principality of Monaco for a week, aren't really a like-for-like with what the organisers of the Tour de France, who close down a public country road for a couple of hours at best, can do with their races.

My comparison with F1 is more than F1 listened to their drivers and made the sport very safe with all the improvements so much so that Grosjean can crash like that and still survive. Outside of mandatory helmets, UCI have done nothing. Theres a limit to what they can do of course but what they have done is nowhere close to enough. UCI need to be proactive and actually try to improve things here.

 

[Leinster]

Kwiatkowski wanted a prologue. Maybe he was correct.

A prologue wouldn't have created the time gaps that the first 2 stages of this Tour did. So if anything, we would have come into the first sprint stage with several of the sprinters in contention for a possible yellow jersey, as well as the stage win/green.

 

[Breezy1985]

riders wanted neutralization at 8km...my humble opinion it wouldnt have helped anyway

It may have stopped 1 of the 4 big crashes. Definitely would not have stopped 3 of them

 

[spalco]

Roglic DS saying he is not good ...went to hospital with Stephen K

Roglic fell right on his hip. Even if he's not out of the race, that's got to hurt for more than a couple days.

 

[Volderke]

what the hell, Roglic was infront of Colbrelli

having analysed the video, Colbrelli could have well been next to Roglic, but he didn't move at all (sideways), while the way Roglic crashed, totally indicates an overlap of wheels.
Are you still saying Colbrelli bodychecked Roglic?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

If falls on these roads are inevitable, how come nobody predicted them? Did anyone on this forum, or amontg those closely related to the race, complain in advance that this was a dangerous route?
I read of riders aware that being in a good position from about 14km out as being important, but that is about tactics, not safety, and the race to a pinch point is key to the sport.

Yes, the riders complained pre-stage, and asked for GC neutralisation at 8K.

Clearly the ASO should have followed the request.

 

[topt]

On what basis? That video shows a rider falling off, nothing more, nothing less.

really, you havent seen anything else

 

[topt]

having analysed the video, Colbrelli could have well been next to Roglic, but he didn't move at all (sideways), while the way Roglic crashed, totally indicates an overlap of wheels.
Are you still saying Colbrelli bodychecked Roglic?

I am or he touched his back wheel, Roglic didnt fall on his own

 

[Leinster]

My comparison with F1 is more than F1 listened to their drivers and made the sport very safe with all the improvements so much so that Grosjean can crash like that and still survive. Outside of mandatory helmets, UCI have done nothing. Theres a limit to what they can do of course but what they have done is nowhere close to enough. UCI need to be proactive and actually try to improve things here.

If the UCI listened to the riders, they wouldn't have made helmets mandatory. In the 90s the riders literally stopped stages and got off their bikes to protest against new helmet rules.