Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 12: Roanne - Belleville-en-Beaujolais, 168.8k

[ManicJack]

Just bumped in - anything happened yet or just another snoozer?

The consensus seems to be that everyone associated with JV are the stupidest people on earth. Just another typical day.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I already said this one time but Benoot in the front is making him useless. He has an awful sprint and can't really outclimb all riders.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

peoples trying to explain away the bad decisions of belgian pozzato. hes just tactically imcompetent. its why he has the one-day palmares of pozzato and not sagan. i dont know if he knows the word 'guile', he just hammers watts to attack the pelton at random times and gets swarmed by the more well-timed counter attacks

 

[Boehmand]

If AG2R drops the gap to 2 minutes or less, we'll see attacks from the GC group on the last climb.

 

[Berflamand]

Is AG2R riding to protect Galls 16th place?

I don't know if it's correct but PCS states that Kuss, Meintjes, Buchmann and Landa are all in a group behind the peloton so if they can take more time on those dropped guys he's going to make a nice jump in GC.

 

[Ricco']

Any other sport where a coach deliberately doesn't want to preserve their team's strength for the upcoming days of competition just because they didn't perform as expected on a particular day?

 

[Boehmand]

Is AG2R riding to protect Galls 16th place?

No, to get him into top 10

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

The consensus seems to be that everyone associated with JV are the stupidest people on earth. Just another typical day.

Thanks for the update. Consistency is important here

 

[Peter von]

Jumbo is in a bad way if UAE drill these climbs and Vinge gets isolated and dropped.

yeah. But if Pogi can drop him here on these climbs, then Jumbo probably needs to settle for 2nd overall anyway and focus on stage wins.

 

[Volderke]

Guillaume Martin enters the top 10 by taking six minutes in the breakaway.

In the final descent Victor Campenaerts attacks on his 58x11, and finally shows he knows the meaning of his first name.

good call.
And Guillaume Martin is just in front of O'Connor in the standings. So Ag2R has to chase.

 

[Red Rick]

Give Pinot 20 minutes you cowards

 

[Valv.Piti]

Any other sport where a coach deliberately doesn't want to preserve their team's strength for the upcoming days of competition just because they didn't perform as expected on a particular day?

No, its a smart move by AG2R, Kuss and Meintjens are down, while Pinot and Martin are up front. Thats a potential of 4 places gained in Paris just by doing this.

 

[Peyroteo94]

peoples trying to explain away the bad decisions of belgian pozzato. hes just tactically imcompetent. its why he has the one-day palmares of pozzato and not sagan. i dont know if he knows the word 'guile', he just hammers watts to attack the pelton at random times and gets swarmed by the more well-timed counter attacks

You are just mocking him of course he is not a belgian pozzatto at all but I must say you are right in one thing, WVA is tactically inept and this is not good because his main force is being a classics rider.

 

[SHAD0W93]

yeah. But if Pogi can drop him here on these climbs, then Jumbo probably needs to settle for 2nd overall anyway and focus on stage wins.

It’s been a hard classic day, if Vinge does get dropped they just overestimated his ability.

 

[Peter von]

No, its a smart move by AG2R, Kuss and Meintjens are down, while Pinot and Martin are up front. Thats a potential of 4 places gained in Paris just by doing this.

I suppose you are right. And there is also the question of:
-Where else are they goin to use their team?

UAE or Jumbo will take charge on the big mountain stage, AG2R aren't taking the sprint stages.

 

[Didinho]

Campenaerts shouldn’t have focused all these years on TT. I’m liking his last classic years and now even climbing better. Threw away half of his years for a bronze medal or so.

 

[Reynard]

the Ag2r DS is a joke. Poor guys on the front have to ride against Meintjes.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I previously said the police need to be checking the hard-drive of that lunatic AG2R DS who has a tattoo of them winning the teams classification, but if they bring this back and there's a big GC battle I'll consider revising my opinion of him.

 

[Rollthedice]

This stage has Pino written all over it. At least I hope so...

 

[Volderke]

You are just mocking him of course he is not a belgian pozzatto at all but I must say you are right in one thing, WVA is tactically inept and this is not good because his main force is being a classics rider.

Again, the moment Pinot jumped, WvA had orders to kill the pace in the peloton and just let solo riders go.
He could have followed, but then he would have dragged each and everybody to the breakaway, and this would have dropped guys like Laporte, so JV would have had low numbers and no control.
In a finale with a Pogi attack and no break formed, this would have been very undesirable. They decided Benoot is good enough to have someone in the break to help out if necessary (if Pogacar goes on the last climb and Jonas is dropped / needs help to pace until the finish). They aren't counting on Benoot winning this.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

good call.
And Guillaume Martin is just in front of O'Connor in the standings. So Ag2R has to chase.

But O'Connor is in the Kuss group, so they shouldn't worry about that.

 

[Salvarani]

What happened there?

 

[Gigs_98]

Noooooo Ciccone

 

[glassmoon]

another stupid buffet crash...

 

[HelloDolly]

wth AG2r....Jumo are gonna love you






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