Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 13: Châtillon-sur-Chalaronne - Grand Colombier, 137.8k

[madthebad]

The climb had too many flat areas, the finish was not steep enough. People saying that Pogacar should have gone earlier are talking nonsense, he wouldnt have been able to make a gap.

 

[Martinstranger]

If he attacks earlier, Vingegaard catches him back.

Pogacar always has Vingegaard beat on kick, but not if the effort becomes longer than 1-2 K.

And he (we) will never find out unless he give it a shot sometime. What an accelaration he launched - that was perfect. He looks sharp and the stages to come will be interesting.
He did do a lot of looking back in the last 100 meters and maybe should have kept his focus on gaining more time. This tour might be decided with only a small margin.

 

[titan31]

People think this was bad for UAE?

This was close to absolutely perfect. They prevented Jumbo from doing anything and let Pog expend effort in the most efficient way.

Don't get me wrong it's pretty boring, but they've been burned once and now they're just trying to eek back their advantages

I dunno. Like this was also close to perfect for Jumbo. Stage suits Pogacar a lot more than they only lost 8 seconds and UAE did a ton of work for that 8 seconds whereas Jumbo doms took a rest day for the most part

 

[Salvarani]

Jumbo saved their legs for tomorrow...UAE, not so much.

If it was one stage where they could control it... it was probably this one.

I think Jumbo expanded a lot more energy on harder terrain yesterday. Kuss was purposefully saved... and he got to cover an Adam Yates attack today.

Guys like Bjerg, Trentin and Laengen wont be of much use the coming days. Might as well make them work today.

 

[Blanco]

If he attacks earlier, Vingegaard catches him back.

Pogacar always has Vingegaard beat on kick, but not if the effort becomes longer than 1-2 K.

You did watch stage 6?

 

[Boehmand]

And playing the role of Magnus Cort today will be Maxim Van Gils

I expect for consistencies sake that legions of Roglic fans will be pouring in here to protest him fighting for those bonus seconds.

Did he grow a moustache?

 

[FrontHeadlock]

This Tour is gonna end up being the same as last year, where Pog "beats" Vingegaard by mere seconds on like 10 stages but Jonas takes minutes on like 2 different stages and wins the GC.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Being in someone's wheel means there's no gap between...

I typed that immediately as Pogi attacked, with Jonas still there. After it sent, he got slightly gapped.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

For me, story of the day: Pidcock

 

[saunaking]

why did kuss close down yates? what was the point of that?

 

[nightowl]

The nature of the climb meant that Pogacar either had to attack with 6km to go or inside the last km. And with 2 harder mountain stages to come a longer-range attack is definitely not the smarter choice

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You know, it's really a shame more pro cyclists don't consult the collective wisdom of the CyclingNews message boards before deciding on their tactics for the day.

 

[Faserr]

This Tour is gonna end up being the same as last year, where Pog "beats" Vingegaard by mere seconds on like 10 stages but Jonas takes minutes on like 2 different stages and wins the GC.

I don't know. Last year Vingegaard never lost the wheel of Pog.

 

[Rackham]

I dunno. Like this was also close to perfect for Jumbo. Stage suits Pogacar a lot more than they only lost 8 seconds and UAE did a ton of work for that 8 seconds whereas Jumbo doms took a rest day for the most part

I don't know why people keep on saying the climb suits Pog, with the insinuation he could have taken big time here. It seems like goalpost shifting to me.

A climb is a climb & Pog is now consistently beating Vinge by a bigger margin on these types of finishes than last year. I seriously doubt Jumbo expected to lose the jersey here or anything like that.

The only reason Grand-Colombier is genuinely better for Pog is because he has a better mountain sprint.

 

[jono]

This Tour is gonna end up being the same as last year, where Pog "beats" Vingegaard by mere seconds on like 10 stages but Jonas takes minutes on like 2 different stages and wins the GC.

Pog never dropped Vingegaard last year.

 

[memyselfandI]

Kawasaki super nice, so happy to seeing him grab this. Otherwise boring af, again.

Did it look like UAE were bit empty legs no? Pogi excited scared towards the end, leaving it so close to the line? Vingo had better than expected legs against that Pogi attack, I thought there would be a bigger gap. At least he was very alert waiting for that attack and reacted really well.

 

[Salvarani]

Lmao Pog has all the legs and is riding like a coward

You are way smarter than this and know the climb. This type of stage.

Just embarrassing behavior.

 

[Divergence]

Funny how JV fans are talking about this stage suites Pog or something to that effect. It makes no difference, the Tour was lost before it even started.

 

[titan31]

The climb had too many flat areas, the finish was not steep enough. People saying that Pogacar should have gone earlier are talking nonsense, he wouldnt have been able to make a gap.

If he was feeling strong enough, he could have gone before it flattened out tbf and then used his TT ability

 

[dazaau]

This Tour is gonna end up being the same as last year, where Pog "beats" Vingegaard by mere seconds on like 10 stages but Jonas takes minutes on like 2 different stages and wins the GC.

Could be, but could equally not be. We will see soon enough.

There is a risk Jonas peak has passed given how strong he was pre tour and in the first week, he may also nuke people in the massive big climbs to come

 

[Samu Cuenca]

why did kuss close down yates? what was the point of that?

Because JV didn't want to give Pogačar a possibility to bridge across to him. But Pogačar made a mistake there, cause he shouldn't have followed Kuss.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Only way it could have gone better for UAE is if Pog caught up to take second and the more seconds while Vinge still finished 4th or if Pog won and Vinge finished 4th still. Pog just has to stay on Vinge’s wheel and sprint away. It isn’t like Vinge and JV haven’t been putting in a lot of work as well.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

I don't know. Last year Vingegaard never lost the wheel of Pog.

And on those 2 stages Jonas was +36s. He won the Pyrenees.

 

[Boehmand]

You did watch stage 6?

Yes, but we are later in the Tour now, where fatigue is a larger factor.

Then he attacked at 2.6 K, now that distance will be shorter.

 

[ManicJack]

The TT on Sunday is really going to shake up 3rd through 8th. Pidcock needs to do the TT of his life. Looked good today.