Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 13: Châtillon-sur-Chalaronne - Grand Colombier, 137.8k

[Didinho]

Everyone made the time limit with 5min to spare.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Team Bonus Seconds all the way. It makes sense to award those who are better.

 

[HelloDolly]

That's quite simple, they don't want to give UAE tactical options. Of course he was going to follow Yates.

There is no tactical advantage at a few KM to go !!! - when Pog was going to attack anyway as everyone knew
Also my comment was tongue in cheek

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Didn't realize the TT is so short.

It makes it really hard to compare across eras. Compare this version to the Indurain years when there were like 85 miles of ITT.

Not saying that each year needs to be a carbon copy, but I think you'd like to see some consistency in the overall structure of the race.

 

[madthebad]

All in all this stage was just an amouse bouche, an aperitiff if you look at whats coming in the next 2 days. I can sense some drama incoming tomorrow and the sunday stage looks brutal. Its easy to understand why Tadej didnt put an attack earlier and waste energy for minimal gains.

 

[bob.a.feet]

James Shaw: "Today was like flipping a coin, and I chose to gamble and put all my money on black".

No wonder you didn't win.

 

[Boehmand]

Vingegaard saying he is happy with how the stage unfolded, and that JV had chosen to give some riders the day off, to be ready for the next 2 days.

He is looking forward to tomorrow, and specifically mentions the heat as a positive factor for him.

 

[theyoungest]

Team Bonus Seconds all the way. It makes sense to award those who are better.

This is actually not what happens, after all Vingegaard didn't take any bonus seconds on the Marie-Blanque stage, even though he was clearly by far the better rider.

 

[ice&fire]

In Pogi's interview with Seb Piquet, it sounded like he really wanted to win today.

Soler has said in an interview that they were working for the stage win

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Pidcock : Need to rename Bastille Day INEOS day ...

Surely calls for a L'Équipe poll...

 

[RobertCrawley]

France wins nothing today. Maybe the fireworks will be good.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

All in all this stage was just an amouse bouche, an aperitiff if you look at whats coming in the next 2 days. I can sense some drama incoming tomorrow and the sunday stage looks brutal. Its easy to understand why Tadej didnt put an attack earlier and waste energy for minimal gains.

I agree, but that makes the last 400m more curious IMO. From an outside perspective, it makes it seem like Pog thinks he needs these little seconds.

 

[Red Rick]

Mate . What you are smoking.

We're talking about a guy who lost the Tour last year, and who made a lot of mistakes in that tour by wasting energy and being very aggressive. He will learn from that mistake.

And now we have a stage that is uniporto with 2 hard mountain stages to follow over the weekend. He would be very silly to attack like a maniac , today stage is not the stage to make a difference.

The pacing of UAE was likely to test vineggard, to see if they could take advantage of weakness without pogacar himself spending energy before next 4 hard stage.

You yourself are a roglic fan so It's strange to me that you make this criticism of pogacar.

What are you smoking?

Roglic got beaten on this exact MTF then he/Jumbo got flamed for 3 years for not attacking more.

People just need to stop pretending half the criticism is about tactics when they are completely unable to criticize when "their" guy does it

 

[theyoungest]

Soler has said in an interview that they were working for the stage win

That was pretty obvious, although they can be satisfied as in the end, in terms of GC, the difference would have been exactly the same. Pogi got lucky that he ended up snatching the final 4 bonus seconds.

 

[HelloDolly]

Surely calls for a L'Équipe poll...

Someone should just ask Marc Madiot...that should push him over the edge

 

[Miha81]

Soler has said in an interview that they were working for the stage win

He is 2 down from his mandatory 3 stage wins

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

France wins nothing today. Maybe the fireworks will be good.

And the jets, trailing blue, white, and red smoke.

 

[Gigs_98]

Vingegaard saying he is happy with how the stage unfolded, and that JV had chosen to give some riders the day off, to be ready for the next 2 days.

He is looking forward to tomorrow, and specifically mentions the heat as a positive factor for him.

The team part was certainly noticable. I expect a monster performance from Wout tomorrow. UAE meanwhile leaned heavily on every single helper of theirs for a rather mediocre return. In that sense JV took a little win today.

 

[theyoungest]

What are you smoking?

Roglic got beaten on this exact MTF then he/Jumbo got flamed for 3 years for not attacking more.

People just need to stop pretending half the criticism is about tactics when they are completely unable to criticize when "their" guy does it

Every rider rides to maximize their own strengths. When Roglic doesn't attack because he stands to gain more time if he waits for the final kilometre and does a sprint, he's a boring rider. When Pogacar does exactly the same, he's the second coming of Christ. That's the interesting thing about perception.

 

[Elos Anjos]

This is actually not what happens, after all Vingegaard didn't take any bonus seconds on the Marie-Blanque stage, even though he was clearly by far the better rider.

In fact he was not the better rider that stage. Unless you want to say that the better rider also takes more time to reach the finish line.

 

[RobertCrawley]

And the jets, trailing blue, white, and red smoke.

Absolument.

 

[theyoungest]

In fact he was not the better rider that stage. Unless you want to say that the better rider also takes more time to reach the finish line.

Are you trying to argue that Kwiatkowski was the strongest rider today? Or what is your point exactly?

 

[madthebad]

I agree, but that makes the last 400m more curious IMO. From an outside perspective, it makes it seem like Pog thinks he needs these little seconds.

After getting beaten in the manner it happened last year, he will take anything at this point. Their teams and Pogi and Jonas themselves look so evenly matched that every second counts. I'm not gonna be surprised if the Tour will be decided on stage 20.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I agree, but that makes the last 400m more curious IMO. From an outside perspective, it makes it seem like Pog thinks he needs these little seconds.

It is just logical to do a Pogistomp at least at the end, as it is "free" seconds if you will when he can do it. And he is still behind. What would you suggest he do? Wait for the last 50m with the sprint?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Are you trying to argue that Kwiatkowski was the strongest rider today? Or what is your point exactly?

My point is that you have no point saying that a rider is better when he sheds more time than the winner, 2nd or 3rd.