TJV=stupidest people on earth. New logic proven by couch DS forum members.Your points seems reliable, but as this edition has turned out so far, I'll be surprised if TJV sticks to plans of logics here![]()
As they say, you can take Rabo out of the name but you can’t remove the Rabofail.TJV=stupidest people on earth. New logic proven by couch DS forum members.
Poga will take time today. How much, hard to say.
Could be a mistake but maybe they thought it is a better option to make every stage hard, then just pace/control in every stage... only to get dropped by Pog in the end. While letting UAE sit behind throughout each day.I went from thinking Vingegeaard had this Tour in the bag 9 days ago to now pretty much the opposite conclusion.
If only because of Jumbo's tactics & mindset. Their Pog obsession denotes concern, not confidence. Firing from the hip yesterday on stage 12 (basically riders shooting off in every direction in order to destabilize UAE) was all about playing some sort of long game in which Pogačar drops in the Alps because of hard stages raced hard previously. For example here's Vingegaard's post-race interview yesterday: https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/j...lgen-van-deze-zware-tour-in-de-slotweek-zien/
He says it's a tough Tour & the consequences of this will be felt in the third week. This belief will also be shared by the people in charge of the team (in fact it likely comes from them). So 2+2=4, i.e. Jumbo race hard & blow matches because they believe Granon represented some sort of 'proof' that tough, fast racing hurts Pog more & they want to replicate those conditions via attrition before Joux Plane & Loze.
It's the only conclusion which explains their energy expenditure yesterday. And I think they're very much mistaken.
Dumbo Jumbo?TJV=stupidest people on earth.
Kelly thinks momentum could swing back to Vingo in final week.I went from thinking Vingegeaard had this Tour in the bag 9 days ago to now pretty much the opposite conclusion.
If only because of Jumbo's tactics & mindset. Their Pog obsession denotes concern, not confidence. Firing from the hip yesterday on stage 12 (basically riders shooting off in every direction in order to destabilize UAE) was all about playing some sort of long game in which Pogačar drops in the Alps because of hard stages raced hard previously. For example here's Vingegaard's post-race interview yesterday: https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/j...lgen-van-deze-zware-tour-in-de-slotweek-zien/
He says it's a tough Tour & the consequences of this will be felt in the third week. This belief will also be shared by the people in charge of the team (in fact it likely comes from them). So 2+2=4, i.e. Jumbo race hard & blow matches because they believe Granon represented some sort of 'proof' that tough, fast racing hurts Pog more & they want to replicate those conditions via attrition before Joux Plane & Loze.
It's the only conclusion which explains their energy expenditure yesterday. And I think they're very much mistaken.
Kelly thinks momentum could swing back to Vingo in final week.
Hard to see that now, but his reasoning is based on personal experience.
We will see.
You keep on saying this, and of course if they use a tactic it might also be the wrong one. The problem with this tactic is, it's a long game so it isn't immediately evident if it works or not. And then if it doesn't you can say: see, I was right all this time. If it does however, I doubt we'll hear much from youI went from thinking Vingegeaard had this Tour in the bag 9 days ago to now pretty much the opposite conclusion.
If only because of Jumbo's tactics & mindset. Their Pog obsession denotes concern, not confidence. Firing from the hip yesterday on stage 12 (basically riders shooting off in every direction in order to destabilize UAE) was all about playing some sort of long game in which Pogačar drops in the Alps because of hard stages raced hard previously. For example here's Vingegaard's post-race interview yesterday: https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/j...lgen-van-deze-zware-tour-in-de-slotweek-zien/
He says it's a tough Tour & the consequences of this will be felt in the third week. This belief will also be shared by the people in charge of the team (in fact it likely comes from them). So 2+2=4, i.e. Jumbo race hard & blow matches because they believe Granon represented some sort of 'proof' that tough, fast racing hurts Pog more & they want to replicate those conditions via attrition before Joux Plane & Loze.
It's the only conclusion which explains their energy expenditure yesterday. And I think they're very much mistaken.
I went from thinking Vingegeaard had this Tour in the bag 9 days ago to now pretty much the opposite conclusion.
If only because of Jumbo's tactics & mindset. Their Pog obsession denotes concern, not confidence. Firing from the hip yesterday on stage 12 (basically riders shooting off in every direction in order to destabilize UAE) was all about playing some sort of long game in which Pogačar drops in the Alps because of hard stages raced hard previously. For example here's Vingegaard's post-race interview yesterday: https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/j...lgen-van-deze-zware-tour-in-de-slotweek-zien/
He says it's a tough Tour & the consequences of this will be felt in the third week. This belief will also be shared by the people in charge of the team (in fact it likely comes from them). So 2+2=4, i.e. Jumbo race hard & blow matches because they believe Granon represented some sort of 'proof' that tough, fast racing hurts Pog more & they want to replicate those conditions via attrition before Joux Plane & Loze.
It's the only conclusion which explains their energy expenditure yesterday. And I think they're very much mistaken.
You're forgetting that the last couple of times Jumbo set a hard pace on climbs it was Vinge that couldn't handle it and lost time.You keep on saying this, and of course if they use a tactic it might also be the wrong one. The problem with this tactic is, it's a long game so it isn't immediately evident if it works or not. And then if it doesn't you can say: see, I was right all this time. If it does however, I doubt we'll hear much from youAnd it is the only tactic they can use, if they just ride defensively and wait for Pogi's sprint they're screwed.
What Jumbo are trying to do all the time is keep the pace so high that Pogacar's explosivity is topped off a little. And build up fatigue, because they believe Vingegaard handles that better than Pogacar. And let me explain to you how today will go, so you won't accuse them of utter stupidity or arrogance or whatever: UAE will control the stage until Colombier, and then Jumbo will take over and try to make it as hard as possible. But Pogacar will still win, because a stage and a climb like this suits him very well. Which of course will be cause for you to celebrate, but it is a calculated loss. The point is to make the loss as small as possible.
You're forgetting that the last couple of times Jumbo set a hard pace on climbs it was Vinge that couldn't handle it and lost time.
Please explain.
It's nearly impossible to predict which of the two is going to crack in the third week. Maybe neither of them are going to and it will always be a fight for a couple of seconds at the end of the stage, which would favor Pogacar. It's also possible Pogacar has another weak moment like in the first mountain stage and loses another minute but to me it doesn't look like that's where we are headed.
I still suspect/fear that Pogacar is going to crack another time at some point. Vingegaard on the other hand doesn't ever really break, In the TDF at least. I remember in PN he got demolished pretty badly by Pogacar. TDF Vingegaard is a different beast apparently though. We've seen him struggling against Pogacar a couple of times but he always manages to keep a high pace and limit the losses.
You're missing it.They expected Vingegaard to be behind Pogacar in this time of the race, so they should be pretty happy about the standings at the moment. They tried to take advantage of the moment in the race and I think everybody would have shouted ridiculous JV tactics if they had not made an effort to see if they could ride Pogacar completely out of the race at that point. I know I would![]()
You keep on saying this, and of course if they use a tactic it might also be the wrong one. The problem with this tactic is, it's a long game so it isn't immediately evident if it works or not. And then if it doesn't you can say: see, I was right all this time. If it does however, I doubt we'll hear much from youAnd it is the only tactic they can use, if they just ride defensively and wait for Pogi's sprint they're screwed.
What Jumbo are trying to do all the time is keep the pace so high that Pogacar's explosivity is topped off a little. And build up fatigue, because they believe Vingegaard handles that better than Pogacar. And let me explain to you how today will go, so you won't accuse them of utter stupidity or arrogance or whatever: UAE will control the stage until Colombier, and then Jumbo will take over and try to make it as hard as possible. But Pogacar will still win, because a stage and a climb like this suits him very well. Which of course will be cause for you to celebrate, but it is a calculated loss. The point is to make the loss as small as possible.
There is a difference between cracking and being dropped. Cracking may start as a regular being dropped but then evolves to an overall performance failure. In Granon ,Pogacar cracked but not because of Vingo exclusively, but due to his approaches to Jumbo's plan. So there is no base to believe that Pogacar will crack again, but he might be dropped. Like Vingo has been.It's nearly impossible to predict which of the two is going to crack in the third week. Maybe neither of them are going to and it will always be a fight for a couple of seconds at the end of the stage, which would favor Pogacar. It's also possible Pogacar has another weak moment like in the first mountain stage and loses another minute but to me it doesn't look like that's where we are headed.
I still suspect/fear that Pogacar is going to crack another time at some point. Vingegaard on the other hand doesn't ever really break, In the TDF at least. I remember in PN he got demolished pretty badly by Pogacar. TDF Vingegaard is a different beast apparently though. We've seen him struggling against Pogacar a couple of times but he always manages to keep a high pace and limit the losses.