Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 14: Annemasse - Morzine, 151.8k

[RobertCrawley]

A least Benoit Cosnefroy enjoyed Joux Plane!

This is an insane event. Cosnefroy is epic. And Jurdie will probably want to kill him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1680242366681063424

View: https://twitter.com/Julientrivero/status/1680242366681063424?s=20

 

[jmdirt]

I love how Rodriguez kept fighting! Great win (and move up the GC)!

 

[D. Pecher]

I love how Rodriguez kept fighting! Great win (and move up the GC)!

I bet he was told to do so because Hindley had cracked after his crash. Not so sure if he would have gone for it had Hindley still be around.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yeah, but lets be honesty, Teddy loves motorbikes to be close on most days...

The smog gives him the adrenaline rush

 

[SHAD0W93]

...no, it wasn't...jebus...Jonas almost certainly would have covered Teddy's attack that was muted by the motos...as evidenced by the fact that Jonas won the sprint for the KOM, and was 3mm behind Teddy at the finish. It was a great stage.

Just because Jonas covers the attack, doesn’t mean he passes Pog which he hasn’t been able to do at any point previously.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The motorbikes were there, they were sometimes right up the noses of the riders, and the crowd was there, the crowd was very close to the riders, too. There was very little space for overtaking. That was the circumstances (which may be citicized). But the riders were - of course - aware of all this and knew that both the motorbikes and the crowd had to be taken into account on the way up the climb. This included the motorbikes not being able to accelerate freely because of people on the road in front of them.

Go out for a ride and tell me how aware you are once you get to how fatigued they were. They’re in a race, neither are expecting the bikes to stop in front of them.

 

[Blanco]

Apply for DS position.

What DS had to do with this?

 

[D. Pecher]

Just because Jonas covers the attack, doesn’t mean he passes Pog which he hasn’t been able to do at any point previously.

If we go by how the dynamics had been between them (see Puy de Dome, Grand Coloumbiere) 500m was the perfect mark for pogacar to attack. So far he always used his better explosivity to open a small gap that holds of half a kilometre or a bit longer, only then Vingegaard claws back a bit, so had he not been blocked by the Motos he would most likely have taken it. Apparently the ASO thought the same as the banned both moto crews for tomorrow's stage.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Just because Jonas covers the attack, doesn’t mean he passes Pog which he hasn’t been able to do at any point previously.

True, but I didn't say he would have won the sprint, just that he would have stayed on Pog's wheel, which would have netted Pog a few seconds, but at some point, one of them has to significantly drop the other, be it on a stage, or significant time in a TT. Maybe this one will be won by bonus seconds, but I think the riders believe it will be something more decisive.

 

[SHAD0W93]

True, but I didn't say he would have won the sprint, just that he would have stayed on Pog's wheel, which would have netted Pog a few seconds, but at some point, one of them has to significantly drop the other, be it on a stage, or significant time in a TT. Maybe this one will be won by bonus seconds, but I think the riders believe it will be something more decisive.

I do agree with that. They’re very equal to the other and the same goes to their teams, the TT will be critical.




On another note, at least they didn’t crash into the back of the motos or the motos didn’t crash into them ala 2011.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Personally, I'm still not sure who's stronger. I just see a lot of people theorycrafting here. They try to keep a facade of objectivity but all I see is wishful thinking.

Imo it's still completely open. Maybe it's easy for me as I don't have a clear favourite between the two, but I just enjoy the battle. I don't know, I don't mean to nag, but why can't some people just enjoy the battle without talking up their own hero or putting down the other guy.

I'm not trying to be objective. I think Pog is the stronger rider, and I think the TT will tell that tale.

 

[Blanco]

The German commentators of ARD were convinced that Yates came back late to actually lead out the final sprint for Pogacar against Vingegaard

And they were right.

 

[Boehmand]

I love how Rodriguez kept fighting! Great win (and move up the GC)!

He probably didn't think he would catch them back, but kept riding for the team classification, which Ineos will certainly want to win.

 

[Rob5091]

Chapeau Carlos Rodriguez! - is he still off to Movistar? If so, Sir Jim must really be hoping to get Remco.
Shame for the guys who've gone home after the crashes. Never a nice way to end your Tour.

 

[hayneplane]

Anyone with half a brain could see that Dani Martinez didn't look so good and was likely suffering from a concussion. In not so surprising news.... he was. This is an absolute joke. Riders will complain about the slightest inconvenience, Adam Hansen will run to Twitter for the smallest disturbance, but when push comes to shove they'll look the other way when there is actual reason to.

That’s pretty disturbing considering that there was plenty of time to assess him thoroughly without worry of losing contact with the peloton

 

[D. Pecher]

Shouldn't the race doctors intervene when someone is so obviously struggling, as opposed to waiting for the driver to come to them?

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Just bumped in here now, after watching entire stage, just by this moment.

Haven't yet read comments here, so dunno whether users have agreed on an oppinion and feelings about the stage.

I have a hard time with the use of this word on a monthly basis (or even more frequently as it happens here and there), but for the first time since a stage with the same destination , now 17 years ago (where did the time go?), feelings just post stage, I will now without any hesitation use the word again:

F###### fantastic EPIC stage!

My plan was to fast forward the entire stage within an hour timeframe.
But ended up using 1 hour more than broadcasting signal in order to rewind several situations, watching underway.
And have to get up again in less than 6 hours, but will take some time before my heart reaches resting HR again.

Vive Le Tour!

 

[Sciatic]

Yet another pointless descent finish. What's the point?

For Morzine to get an even bigger publicity bump than if it finished on top? I have no idea, just wondering how that might effect stage design, since towns pay for stage finishes.

 

[Netserk]

For Morzine to get an even bigger publicity bump than if it finished on top? I have no idea, just wondering how that might effect stage design, since towns pay for stage finishes.

The hint is in the name.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Stage not hard enough for Vingegaard....or will we get a new excuse today.

My only objection pre-stage was that it was really a too short stage for Vingegaard to do maximum damage.
Today and tomorrow should've been switched (in addition Stage 15 should've been no less than 230k, but those days are gone for Le Tour mountain stages, due to dark history), since alot of matches (or rather matchboxes to count them all) have been burned today, so don't expect same kind of powershow from the gun tomorrow - which I pre this stage would say would've benefitted Pogi.

But after today I'm not 100% sure that a 1996 262k 7 mountain + 100K TTT in 45°C would do him a favour.
Pogi have learned and been building enormous on his apparent weaknesses.

*edit* Col de Loze stage is a mere 166k btw...

 

[SHAD0W93]

Rewatching again, Pog had a half wheel length and it was growing over Vinge before he broke for the motos, Pog gets caught napping by Vinge for the bonus, Pog closes it down and then puts in an attack because Vinge was slowing up, and Vinge pulled him back.

 

[D. Pecher]

The thing is: 230km mountain stages aren't possible at those speeds without pharmaceutical intervention and assuming that these times are a bit better than the dark days we would see economy runs with teams prescribing lower wattages.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

The thing is: 230km mountain stages aren't possible at those speeds without pharmaceutical intervention and assuming that these times are a bit better than the dark days we would see economy runs with teams prescribing lower wattages.

That was what I was trying to allude by 'dark times'. So yes, those times are gone.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Fines for the day and it’s three motorbikes and crew that are banned, plus Vinge got busted for peeing in public. Which unless it was very flagrant is pretty crazy since they all do it.

Jury & Fines Tour de France 2023 stage 14 - 3 motorbikes penalized after Joux Plane drama, Vingegaard fined

Stage 14 of the Tour de France saw Jumbo-Visma go all-out in an attempt to create differences in the overall classification, but the Dane only won one second on Tadej Pogacar, as Carlos Rodríguez stol...

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[saunaking]

merckx.

not hinault.

in his day, hinault was most often the one dealing out the punches. ;-)

Yeah, no Frenchman has the balls to try and punch Hinault. And for good reason.
Remember he manhandled that spectator or something who ran on stage during some ceremony while he was working as some kind of tour ambassador?