Even up I don't think there is much difference between the two at this point; too close to call for me. If I was forced to pick, barring disaster I'd say Pog by 5 seconds; further stalemate before the real showdown Wednesday.
- Sep 20, 2017
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The average speed between the two intermediates was supposedly 68kph for the fastest riders in spite of that section featuring a climb, which leaves 22k at 38.2kph for Roglic for the remaining two sections. I have my doubts...
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Pog is training a bike change, while Vinge and Wout are not. Would be funny if it was just to confuse Jumbo into their own bike changes.
I think TT bikes are still @ about 8kg, while the climbing bikes are 6.8kg the minimum they can be. Is it worth the lost seconds with the exchange?
Are the rules different here than they were at the Giro? Where the climbing bike was waiting for them on the ground and they just jumped on it...
- Jul 10, 2012
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Based on weight alone, definitely not worth it. Pog must not like the position for climbing.Pog is training a bike change, while Vinge and Wout are not. Would be funny if it was just to confuse Jumbo into their own bike changes.
I think TT bikes are still @ about 8kg, while the climbing bikes are 6.8kg the minimum they can be. Is it worth the lost seconds with the exchange?
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No, Not tomorrow... we should have rain on Loze not tomorrow...Thunderstorms possible
- Mar 20, 2022
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Just 2 minutes between gc riders? Rodriguez is completly screwed because he will be caught. These are good news to Pogacar, he will have a target.
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In the final TT in the Giro, a bike change was more or less compulsory. You were not allowed to go up to Monte Lussari with a timetrial bike. Hence the dedicated zone to change.
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Fun fact, the route is almost identical to the circuit Hinault won Worlds on in 1980.
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I was just reasoning that it was 11 km longer with the same desnivel. Net altitude gain is much higher this time though
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Ok, which profile is accurate? The one in OP looks way too easy.
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Surely this must be too tough for Wout to even be close to Pog and Vingegaard.
My top 3 is:
1. Pog
2. Vinge +12s
3. A. Yates + 48s
Yates rode a good tt both in Tour of Romandie (hilly one) and Duaphine (a bit hilly).
Think the steep section on both climb 1 and 2 should suit Yates well.
My top 3 is:
1. Pog
2. Vinge +12s
3. A. Yates + 48s
Yates rode a good tt both in Tour of Romandie (hilly one) and Duaphine (a bit hilly).
Think the steep section on both climb 1 and 2 should suit Yates well.
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I'm surprised. It's a good climb but it's a Cat 2, not a super tough climb. I would think the aero bike might be more useful to these top riders.Pog is training a bike change, while Vinge and Wout are not. Would be funny if it was just to confuse Jumbo into their own bike changes.
I think TT bikes are still @ about 8kg, while the climbing bikes are 6.8kg the minimum they can be. Is it worth the lost seconds with the exchange?
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He can do a better tt than he did in Dauphine this year. Vuelta last year he was 4th on a 31k flat tt, +1.22 behind Remco.
And now he has a podium spot to fight for.
Pog maight catch him but I think Rodriguez makes it by 17s.
- Jul 3, 2022
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Jonas won the time trial last year, and he goes last, so he'll know how to manage his efforts to gain time on Pogi. So I think the advantage goes to Jonas, but it's going to be close. The TT is too short for any professional bike rider to pick up huge chunks of time (to borrow some phrasing from the late, great Paul Sherwen).
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I don't remember who it was, but the aero bike is so much more aero than a road bike you need to be climbing at like 7% or more to get a benefit from being on a road bike.
I am absolutely confident changing to a road bike is a mistake.
The only comparable spot I can think of is the 2017 Itzulia ITT where everyone did it full TT bike and Contador started on the road bike, but I don't remember the T1 split.
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It must be that Pog doesn't feel comfortable riding uphill on the tt bike. Surely they have tested both options during the recon earlier this summer to see which suits him best.
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Both are correct but the y-axes are obviously very different.
Ok, which profile is accurate? The one in OP looks way too easy.
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But it was a really fast TT and he still was more than 2 kph slower than Remco. And another thing very important, spanish riders seems to step up his game in Spain when they have to do a TT. If he is 2 kph slower than Pogi, he will lose 2 minutes because this is a MTT so speed will be low and gaps will be larger. Of course his TT ability is a bit of unknown to us but if he doesn't have a good day on the bike, he can definetly be surpassed.He can do a better tt than he did in Dauphine this year. Vuelta last year he was 4th on a 31k flat tt, +1.22 behind Remco.
And now he has a podium spot to fight for.
Pog maight catch him but I think Rodriguez makes it by 17s.
- Feb 9, 2013
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Rarely am I this excited about an ITT, but this one could prove decisive in terms of Pog v. Vingo. So I'll be glued to my TV screen, and I have no idea who will win.
- Oct 5, 2009
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1980 Sallanches WC is amongst my first cycling memories, totally mesmerized by Le Patron himself.
But what I really don't remember is how twisty this route really is.
Although Jonas can also figure out turns, this route should lean slightly in Pogi's favor, even with Jonas starting behind him. So to continue the suspense, the opening sequence couldn't have been better for yet another teeth-gritting episode.
But yet again I have to stick to work during these vital hours.
Think I'll just put the blinders on and watch it all tomorrow night instead....
But what I really don't remember is how twisty this route really is.
Although Jonas can also figure out turns, this route should lean slightly in Pogi's favor, even with Jonas starting behind him. So to continue the suspense, the opening sequence couldn't have been better for yet another teeth-gritting episode.
But yet again I have to stick to work during these vital hours.
Think I'll just put the blinders on and watch it all tomorrow night instead....
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