Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 20: Belfort - Le Markstein, 133.5k

[Jagartrott]

Hilarious to read salty Pog's fanboys crying boring when Pog's more boring than Jonas today... just priceless

How is that exactly? Pogacar tried attacking, didn't lose Vingegaard, then counted on his sprint. Vingegaard raced as if he had a 10 second advantage in GC. Could've just ridden with Pogacar and then battle it out in a two-man sprint, or could've tried to drop him, but nothing of the kind. Not a single pull, no initiative whatsoever, no racing for the heck of it. I'm glad we have people like Pogacar and Evenepoel. Cycling would be dead in a decade with a peloton full of Vingegaards.

 

[awavey]

Wait, so the 1st and the 2nd of the stage did everything wrong tactically or how was this on the last few pages...

I think some of the views might have been contrarian for contrarian sake, just a feeling

but if Vingegaard wanted to win the stage, well he pretty much set Pog up for the win there the way he rode that, so whether thats right or wrong tactically is down to which side of the fence you sit on.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Vingegaard's best chance was to nuke it on the last 9% rise. If that didn't work, at least he had Pogacar isolated. Now he waited until he was certain to lose the sprint. Not really ballsy.

I honestly think Vingegaard wanted someone else but not Pog to win, that’s why he wasn’t being greedy. If Pog isn’t there I doubt JV is.

But Pog is very greedy and insecure so JV went with him. Heaven forbid Pog help his teammate get another stage there.

 

[Tobi]

they basically gifted Pog this win by not trying to get away ofc you going to lose in a sprint with Pog

 

[dobrien]

I honestly think Vingegaard wanted someone else but not Pog to win, that’s why he wasn’t being greedy. If Pog isn’t there I doubt JV is.

But Pog is very greedy and insecure so JV went with him. Heaven forbid Pog help his teammate get another stage there.

Pog is easily the fastest sprinter in that group, and UAE's best bet for the win. If you're trolling at least try to make it smart, ok?

 

[IndianCyclist]

So for Pogi, can we drop the his training was not good excuse from his team, after today.

 

[meat puppet]

Who would have thought that Vingo loses time today? At this rate Pog needs only 114 stages to get ahead.

BTW, Moose, I'm not a Vingo-homer, at best anyone but Pog homer. Show some respect and insult me properly.

 

[Red Rick]

It's obvious Vingegaard didn't think he could drop Pogacar and that's why he didn't even try. It's not his job to set the pace, and why bother embarrassing yourself and getting countered and dropped. Pogacar raced it the boring but probably smarter way, though I would've probably let Yates make a counterattack upon coming back.

 

[Faserr]

Of course UAE wanted to win the Tour, but second and third plus 3 stage wins isn't really bad.

 

[Samamba]

Pog is so boring, why isn't he attacking? Such boring riding by Pogicar.

Cause he wins the stage, Vingegaard never had a chance riding like he did, never. There was absolutely no reason for Vingegaard to not try something today. Literally 0 risk.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Ving really took it easy, he was not even exhausted speaking to his kid. Really invincible.
Pogacar shouldn't even try next year, unless WVA is missing and there are cobbles.

Pogi needed a better run up to the Tour. He can beat Jonas if he's at 100 percent through the three weeks. I hope his trainer Iñigo San Millán provides some insight in the coming months on what happened and what the plan is for next year. I'm a fan of Millán's Zone 2 training.

 

[slim charles]

This was a fun stage. Shame for Thibaut, though. Not that it was realistic that he'd win once it was obvious they aren't letting the breakaway go, but still.

Congrats to Tadej, clearly it meant a lot to him. And congrats to Jonas, too, who's obviously the strongest.

 

[Jagartrott]

Vinge lol, quickly run to the wife and tommorow in hiding to the next year.

At least he didn't have to do the post-finish phonecall.

 

[FrontHeadlock]

Pog is easily the fastest sprinter in that group, and UAE's best bet for the win. If you're trolling at least try to make it smart, ok?

10 more bonus seconds for your boy!

 

[dgodave]

All the fuss over whos the most boring!

If you all want boring I'll start posting here a lot more. I'll show you boring.

 

[Ripper]

Wow, lots of hate from Pogo and Vogo fans towards the rider they don't like. Pretty funny to read some of the objectively childish comments.

Good finish the stage. Would have loved it if Rodriguez could have come in with that group, and even more if Pinot could have been part of the final sprint.

 

[tobydawq]

Seb Piquet: What's the worst memory from your Tour?

Pogi: Probably every time Soler looked back at me with his scary eyes on the Col de La Loze. That was a terryfying moment.

 

[dgodave]

Pog looked really thrilled crossing the finish line. I liked that.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Jonas not needing to prove his d!ck is bigger, every day, is evidently "boring." I think his desire was to win the Tour de France...and he did a pretty good job of that.

I would love there to have been another rider contending (other than Remco), but there isn't right now...so boring.

 

[Volderke]

I honestly think Vingegaard wanted someone else but not Pog to win, that’s why he wasn’t being greedy. If Pog isn’t there I doubt JV is.

But Pog is very greedy and insecure so JV went with him. Heaven forbid Pog help his teammate get another stage there.

If Vingegaard wanted someone else to win, he shouldn't have allowed Adam Yates to come back (A. Yates was too much spent to attack so he was only good for Pogacar to set the pace).

In the case Vingegaard helped Gall to set the pace, they could have attacked Pogacar, and Vingegaard would have allowed Gall the win. Pogacar would probably have won anyway, but if Gall and Vingegaard had something in the tank and attacked Pogacar one after the other, who knows what would happen if Pogacar let someone go.

 

[zenoiz]

Pog wins a sprint yawn. Gall wtf. Spoiled the only appropriate ending of this Tour, a glorious Tibopino win.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Cause he wins the stage, Vingegaard never had a chance riding like he did, never. There was absolutely no reason for Vingegaard to not try something today. Literally 0 risk.

...except that he didn't need to, in order to win the Tour, which was his goal...

 

[Gargamel35]

At least he didn't have to do the post-finish phonecall.

Yeah, that was always something special to see. Like a 5 year old calling his mummy that he arrived.

 

[JimPanzen]

Gotta say reading the last two pages really gives me headaches. Those riders don't deserve douchebag fanboys going at each others throat on their behalf.

 

[GroupDK]

Vingegaard's best chance was to nuke it on the last 9% rise. If that didn't work, at least he had Pogacar isolated. Now he waited until he was certain to lose the sprint. Not really ballsy.

Thats funny if you think you from behind your keyboard' know Vingegaards physic and Pogacar physic better then the people there are out there...
C''mon they are monitoring each other to the bone, and monitored these climbs to the core, to analyze what scenario that fits for what attack and what kind of state the oppenenent needs to show for it to make sense.

A flat 10km finish, are not ideal for a rider like Vingegaard.. with almost 8 minutes in on Pogacar.. he has been in a league of his own and POgacar and Vingegaards fights made this tour a blast (kudos to both).
Its never been the aspect of being an exploive finisher thats been Vingegaards main strength' as it is with Pogacar and other one day race riders.

Vingegaard is a bonafide GC rider, and why he is ranked nr1 on UCI listis for worlds best Stage rider with quite a margin down to nr2 and been it for a while.
stagewin is stagewin, as Pogacar also explained, there is the GC that is what matters for riders like him and Vingegaard, and if stagewin can help getting the GC, then great,, but stagewins is a secondary, not least if the total win is gone..
Jonas was not gonna drop Pogacar on a relative cold stage where pogacar is solid and not least with a climb like this.
and IMO perfect that Pogacar got this comeback-stage , as the superb rider he is.

If Vingegaard needed to take a few seconds to gain the GC, you could bet he would try and likely not succed on Pogacar today as strong as he was, but if he did and won, you can bet he would also risk making a lot of sportradicals even more salty, and they would be critising him for being egocentric, you already have stagewin and a huge double TdF GC win, and indicate all sort of things and he cant even grant other people some win-pleasure etc.

As you can also hear Pogacar says, I felt rally good today,, and you can bet Jonas also saw that on these smaller climbs.
These riders aint amateurs.. you can bet they know a lot more then you do, from behind your keyboard - on what is the right moment & when do the opponent shows the right signs and on which stage that suits what attack.
they do this for a pro living.. you & me dont. !!