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I think Vingegaard was happy to just survive today, remember Rodriguez crashed on his wheel. He could have been Sepp Kuss... And I think it's interesting how people find Vingegaard boring, the one who has actually attacked when it mattered, and Pogacar exciting, the one who has mostly counted on his sprint. Pogi rode just like Roglic usually does, and people tend to find Roglic boring as well. Is it Pogi's youthful, mischievous face?
Nonetheless Vingegaard's tactics in the final weren't very smart. He's so obsessed with Pogacar, he forgets to just race. If Pogi counters you, what does it matter? If you go with him to the sprint you lose everytime.
Nonetheless Vingegaard's tactics in the final weren't very smart. He's so obsessed with Pogacar, he forgets to just race. If Pogi counters you, what does it matter? If you go with him to the sprint you lose everytime.
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Jonas and Pogi always show great respect for each other. Not sure why fans often don't do the same.
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The last two pages are easy for me:
Pogacar attacked, didn't get separation and thus he rightfully relied on his sprint. By doing so and not working, A. Yates could come back, and as S. Yates was aiming for 4th place, it gave some extra pacing support and rest for Pogacar. Pogacar winning the stage proves his tactics are solid.
Vingegaard... You can say he didn't need to do anything as he just won the Tour, and you can argue he somewhat allowed others to win the stage, but once he was in the position to win and it was clear the stage win wouldn't be allowed by Pogacar, he could have showed some more ambition to win the stage himself, imho.
Pogacar attacked, didn't get separation and thus he rightfully relied on his sprint. By doing so and not working, A. Yates could come back, and as S. Yates was aiming for 4th place, it gave some extra pacing support and rest for Pogacar. Pogacar winning the stage proves his tactics are solid.
Vingegaard... You can say he didn't need to do anything as he just won the Tour, and you can argue he somewhat allowed others to win the stage, but once he was in the position to win and it was clear the stage win wouldn't be allowed by Pogacar, he could have showed some more ambition to win the stage himself, imho.
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A perfect ending for Pinot. Showing again he’s the champion of the people and go home with only love and respect and no trophy. The champion we need but don’t deserve.
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Don't know whats worse, the notion that it's a beautiful comeback story that the guy wins that has won 4 monuments, 2 GCs and 11 TdF stages in the last 4 years or the opinion that the guy who's 7 minutes ahead in GC is not a fecking bore.
Ciccone and Pinot on Petit Ballon the highlights of the day, the e fight between fans of the skeletor and the baby faced assassin is like a mud fight between Isengart and Mordor orcs.
Ciccone and Pinot on Petit Ballon the highlights of the day, the e fight between fans of the skeletor and the baby faced assassin is like a mud fight between Isengart and Mordor orcs.
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So congrats to Teddy on his second stage win at the Tour. For sure this is some consolation after the disaster 3 days ago. When the small group arrived at the finish there was little doubt who would win as there was a rabbit among sprinting tortoises.
An interesting conclusion from the stage (and the race as well esp. Joux Plane) is that Vinge and Pog basically can't cooperate anymore and are in a deadlock when both are equally strong uphill. Vinge doesn't want to lead Pog even for a few seconds (no will to cooperate today again) and Pog doesn't want to lead Vinge as well. Due to this they can actually have difficulties to create a gap over the rest come the next Tour (unless one of them gaps the other). Today Gall saved the two mutants with his pace. I'm curious what was he thinking? Maybe: "I'll drill a bit more and will drop those weaklings". Congrats to him for a courageous ride as well. There's a new great climber in the town.
An interesting conclusion from the stage (and the race as well esp. Joux Plane) is that Vinge and Pog basically can't cooperate anymore and are in a deadlock when both are equally strong uphill. Vinge doesn't want to lead Pog even for a few seconds (no will to cooperate today again) and Pog doesn't want to lead Vinge as well. Due to this they can actually have difficulties to create a gap over the rest come the next Tour (unless one of them gaps the other). Today Gall saved the two mutants with his pace. I'm curious what was he thinking? Maybe: "I'll drill a bit more and will drop those weaklings". Congrats to him for a courageous ride as well. There's a new great climber in the town.
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It's funny indeed that I think, after what Vingegaard showed in this Tour, that he could have tried to attack and that would have been ballsy.
I'm OK with him not trying this, but not trying this is not ballsy in my book.
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Jonas uses his phone in 2023...evidently, this is some kind of offense and definitely boring...
but that just raises more questions for me, why does he now think he cant drop Pogacar after his display in the ITT and stage afterwards? where he quite clearly could, with some ease.
youd think even if he wasnt sure about it, he'd test the water just to see, his GC position wasnt at threat, and then he wouldnt have to worry about straining his neck to check where Pogacar is all the time.
instead he has given a rival a psychological boosting stage win to finish on, and as he wont ride any other races against him till the next TdF, he wont have a chance to push that back.
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But he is / has ridden quite boring in this Tour (his previous Tour was better).
Result-orientated / efficiency-wise, there is nothing wrong with his riding (to the contrary): he did almost everything perfect, but people can find it boring for good reason, especially, because he could have been riding in a more interesting way, without ever risking anything. It feels like you have an employee, you ask him to do a certain work in 8 hours, and he does it in 6 hours, and just sits there for 2 hours. It's perfect, but it's boring.
Ofcourse when the boring rider wins, fans have to resort to pick on details that have sometimes nothing to do with the race, so commenting out of frustration. But that's the human nature.
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Yep, he could have done a Kohl.
When Vingegaard weren’t going to attack, he should have let Gall go and make Pogi close him down.
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Spoiler Alert: I don't think Jonas or Teddy are boring riders. I also think they both deserve their threads in The Clinic. I also think the sour grapes that cause boring posts about Jonas being boring, is boring.
The last real day of racing—really enjoyed watching it as a final installment of the 2023 Tour for me. (Not a big fan of watching the final stage procession). Some great scenes and off-and-on interesting action, including the reschufflibg of the bottom half of the top ten. Bummer about Kuss’s crash though,
Very gutsy ride by Rodriguez today; that was a heavy fall and at first I thought he was finished. Super nice to see him salvage a top 5.
could you explain to me the "more boring" part.... what has fisherman done in this stage to be more exctiting than Pog ? thanksHilarious to read salty Pog's fanboys crying boring when Pog's more boring than Jonas today... just priceless
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I didn't find the TT or he day after to be boring rides by Jonas...I found them interesting for other reasons, but not boring.
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Given with what he showed in the TT, he could've dropped everyone on the last climb, and expanded his lead even further in the rolling final kms. But, he did not want to race, for whatever reason. That's basically a quite neutral take on the matter.
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His TT was gigantic and awesome. But his racing (you know, people together on the road on a bike) was pretty boring except for that one stage 5.
Pogacar is more than 7 min after Jonas. His attack, which is his strength, came to nothing. He has to find another way to win in the future Jonas will get better and better for quite some time to come. But the question is what will he come up with?
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