Tour de France Tour de France 2023, stage 20: Belfort - Le Markstein, 133.5k

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Netserk

Netserk

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Volderke said:
1. you don't prove this stage isn't within the 5 hardest of this Tour. You refer to a metric but that metric doesn't tell the whole story. In any way, 'hardest' is not an objective metric, and there is simply no need for trying to say that stages can be ranked unequivocally, especially when they are close in terms of all of those metrics. I said it's probably wihtin the 5 hardest and anyone following the race could simply agree with this (or not necessarily disagree), but you're chosing to contest this without anything that really backs up your (much firmer than mine) stance on the matter.
2. you claim Vingegaard could do a 1900 VAM today (well, I know you didn't claim this, but either you claim this, or you didn't read my posts, and still, you kept on discussing. That's on you. I was very clear in what I was talking about, you were very clearly not reading what I wrote and stubbornly kept hammering on what you wanted to push in this discussion).
3. you're grasping on straws when I write this is the hardest back to back combo, probably even the hardest 30K, and you're rightly referring to Loze as a harder 30K.
The thing is, if you have to look at the Loze stage (which is definitely the hardest stage in this Tour) to prove that today's stage doesn't have the hardest 30K of any stage, and you don't find any other stage than the Loze stage in comparison to today's stage, you are actually saying that you have a hard time finding stages harder than today's stage. When I say that this stage is probably within the 5 hardest stages, and you try so hard to say it's not, take note that you didn't find but one stage with a harder 30K, but still think you're right about the top 5 hard stages.

ps: I have put you on ignore. I appreciate factual correctness, but I don't like people who don'tt read my comments, cherry-pick parts of comments, take them out of context, try to give it a spin or try to impose their agendas and ultimately keep me busy with a discussion that is nothing but fatigueing.. Enjoy your cycling and this forum, but it'll be without me.
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I claim 1900 m/h VAM just as much as you claim that Vingegaard can climb no faster than 1350 m/h. Which of the two claims is the most ridiculous?

You think the shorter stage with less vertical gain and with easier climbs is harder, yet you refuse to offer any metric by which that is true other than the most arbitrary possible (hardest 30 km, a sub-section apparently making it up for the whole). For you, it's just "Trust me, Bro. I have ridden it".
 
KZD

KZD

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I think both Pogačar and Vingegård have reasons to try the stage win. Pogačar to finish the Tour on a high and Vingegård to try to win a mountain stage during this Tour.

However I think that there are good chances of the breakaway to arrive to the finish as there are many riders and teams still trying to get a stage win and Ciccone will do everything to guarantee the KOM jersey which I believe he will.
 
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