Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 13: Agen > Pau, 165.3 km

[Netserk]

Well I think zero experience is less valid, and the more experienced a racer is, the more valid I would say the commentary is, generally.

But agree on all the rest, 100%.

What counts as zero experience? That of Manolo Saíz?

 

[Froome]

Tourmalet and Pla d'Adet tomorrow. The race for the GC is now on.

After Tourmalet there isn't a better climb than this side of hourquette ancizan?

It was better a different climb than this side of hourquette before Pla adet. Or, a finish on Col du Portet instead of Pla adet.

 

[RobertCrawley]

You be the judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811787914612732258

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1811787914612732258

 

[Sciatic]

Well I think zero experience is less valid, and the more experienced a racer is, the more valid I would say the commentary is, generally.

But agree on all the rest, 100%.

I appreciate having the comments/insights from folks who have significant racing experience.

Of course, to discuss this crash I was drawing from my experience playing (American) football. 🤣

 

[red_flanders]

I appreciate having the comments/insights from folks who have significant racing experience.

Of course, to discuss this crash I was drawing from my experience playing (American) football. 🤣

So you were 100% in favor of the shoulder? 🤣🤣🤣

 

[jaylew]

And was the experience at that level fundamentally different? All I ever noticed was that it got safer the further up the rankings you went, because more people knew what they were doing. I would occasionally race Cat 2 with my team (never qualified, but was allowed) and it was so much cleaner than Cat 3. Guys knew what was up.

What I noticed moving through the ranks is that you get a bunch of knucklehead crashes at the lower levels up through about Cat 3. Above that most of the crashes are crashes of aggression, particularly in sprints, but you still get the knucklehead crashes, even in the WT. I know there are bigger fields and longer races in the WT and therefore more opportunity but they crash all the time and most of the time it's just a touch of wheels.

 

[Sciatic]

After Tourmalet there isn't a better climb than this side of hourquette ancizan?

It was better a different climb than this side of hourquette before Pla adet. Or, a finish on Col du Portet instead of Pla adet.

Sunday is the harder stage —this will be the warmup

 

[Froome]

Sunday is the harder stage —this will be the warmup

Yeah, but maybe aspin or azet would be better instead of hourquette, looking at the map.

 

[Sciatic]

So you were 100% in favor of the shoulder? 🤣🤣🤣

It was definitely a good hit, but I was thinking Capiot has already stepped out of bounds

 

[Sciatic]

Yeah, but maybe aspin or azet would be better instead of hourquette, looking at the map.

Indeed.

 

[red_flanders]

It was definitely a good hit, but I was thinking Capiot has already stepped out of bounds

Well played, sir!

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Well, Aspin is lower and further away from Pla d‘Adet, so I don‘t think it‘s better.

 

[jaylew]

You be the judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811787914612732258

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Really? I think there have been some valid points made by people with differing opinions here but a front on slow-mo of just the moment they come together is not enough to judge anything. Post two overhead vids, one in slo-mo and one in full speed from just before Van Gils starts to move up and Capiot pulls off and ask your question again.

 

[ManicJack]

You be the judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811787914612732258

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Seeing that head on in slomo makes it appear pretty egregious, and it's obvious by my comments I think he should be sent home, but the natural instinct of self preservation can switch on very quickly. He may very well have felt he had no choice but to do what he did to save himself, whether that was right or wrong. I'd like to hear his side of the moment.

 

[Stelvio]

Lanterne Rouge discussion on the crash:
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/i09pbGRH98c?t=1774s


In short, they put most blame on Capiots drifting towards the barriers while looking around.

 

[red_flanders]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811813232790671379

I agree. Fairly sure I know what I'd have done there. Protect myself and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Bolder]

I don’t know why for the Pau finishes they don’t occassionally use the short steep climb up from the river up to the Cathedral/chateau just for some variety. Though It’s not long enough to make a big difference.

Yeah, would love to use those curves that are part of the old auto race course.

 

[Sciatic]

Seeing that head on in slomo makes it appear pretty egregious, and it's obvious by my comments I think he should be sent home, but the natural instinct of self preservation can switch on very quickly. He may very well have felt he had no choice but to do what he did to save himself, whether that was right or wrong. I'd like to hear his side of the moment.

There’s also the fact that all of these guys are gassed at the end of a hard stage and a tough 2 weeks of racing. Amazing their brains can function at all by that point!

 

[RobertCrawley]

Seeing that head on in slomo makes it appear pretty egregious, and it's obvious by my comments I think he should be sent home, but the natural instinct of self preservation can switch on very quickly. He may very well have felt he had no choice but to do what he did to save himself, whether that was right or wrong. I'd like to hear his side of the moment.

Yes, mistakes by both riders. If I was a commissar, I say no fines. Let's move on.

 

[Didinho]

If you would’ve just watched the last 5km you would think it was just a boring sprint stage.
It was just insane hard riding all day. Can’t wait for tomorrow.

 

[Nick2413]

You be the judge.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811787914612732258

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If you watch Van Gils’ wheel he’s really close to the barriers and almost hits them even after the shoulder. I think it was self preservation, once he got to that point it was the only option. Seems like a racing incident imo, both guys could have been better but also really hard to judge best options in a split second.

 

[Stelvio]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811813232790671379

I agree. Fairly sure I know what I'd have done there. Protect myself and let the chips fall where they may.

So he was relegated and fined.

 

[Samamba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811813232790671379

I agree. Fairly sure I know what I'd have done there. Protect myself and let the chips fall where they may.

All I know is that a lot of people here would've prefered to get their face in the barriers. I don't understand why they have to punish someone every single time. Incidents exist you know.

 

[Samamba]

So he was relegated and fined.

No no it's more funny than that. He's not relegated at all. He's just fined and gets a UCI point penalty (which is worse than getting regelated).

 

[red_flanders]

So he was relegated and fined.

Sounds like it. 1500 as well, not a wife-kisser.