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Tour de France Tour de France 2024:Stage 21: Monaco - Nice, 21/07, 33.7k (ITT)

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Nah, Vingegaards loss is more severe as he never cracked and got 6 minutes nonetheless. He even said he was better than ever. So it's a crushing defeat imo, even though his preparation was very problematic, because he still was on great form.
You could argue that cracking your rival so badly that they concede on the team radio in the middle of a stage is more of a beat down.

But I think even a perfectly prepared Jonas loses to this version of Pog by 3-4 minutes.
 
Interesting in the end it looks like Vingegaard's pacing plan was probably outlined months ago knowing what they needed to do to win, but in the end he just couldn't hold it, too nackered after 3 weeks and no baseline.

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(Large spike is going into a tunnel)
 
You could argue that cracking your rival so badly that they concede on the team radio in the middle of a stage is more of a beat down.

But I think even a perfectly prepared Jonas loses to this version of Pog by 3-4 minutes.

I think it depends on how prepared Jonas was for this, which only Visma know and wont ever tell us.

for Pog it looked like this was peak Pog, there was nothing more to give, this was performance perfection the best he had.

but Ive felt whatever level of preparedness Jonas had, there would be more Jonas could do, this wasnt peak Jonas performance and wasnt peak Visma performance either,

is that 6mins more performance, possibly it would have been alot closer I feel than minutes separating them, even if Pog was unbeatable this year and Pog would have been stretched more on stages where he was quite comfortably in control.
 
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You could argue that cracking your rival so badly that they concede on the team radio in the middle of a stage is more of a beat down.

But I think even a perfectly prepared Jonas loses to this version of Pog by 3-4 minutes.
I coudn't disagree with this more. Tadej did the same thing last year. And those injuries were no joke. The guy was completely sedentary without any exercise for quite a while. It wasn't one of those accidents where you were at least back on the trainer quickly. To make your comeback in the biggest race in the world and come 2nd to the best overall road rider in the world on his best form ever is unbelievable. He is still clearly improving as a rider and I truly think we were headed for a nuclear performance by JV without that crash. I have no idea how it would have turned out but it would have been glorious to see the battle. We can only hope they both get to the Tour with no issues next year because I don't think we've seen the best from either yet as scary as that sounds.
 
Interesting in the end it looks like Vingegaard's pacing plan was probably outlined months ago knowing what they needed to do to win, but in the end he just couldn't hold it, too nackered after 3 weeks and no baseline.

GTB5g5pXIAAaoGc

(Large spike is going into a tunnel)
Very cool to see thr go up on the flat sections on top of Eze amd during the descent. So evem part of the gap in the T3 split was simply pacing.

I was 100% certain Pog had it whem I saw Vingegaards face in the frontal shot at the T2 split
 
I coudn't disagree with this more. Tadej did the same thing last year. And those injuries were no joke. The guy was completely sedentary without any exercise for quite a while. It wasn't one of those accidents where you were at least back on the trainer quickly. To make your comeback in the biggest race in the world and come 2nd to the best overall road rider in the world on his best form ever is unbelievable. He is still clearly improving as a rider and I truly think we were headed for a nuclear performance by JV without that crash. I have no idea how it would have turned out but it would have been glorious to see the battle. We can only hope they both get to the Tour with no issues next year because I don't think we've seen the best from either yet as scary as that sounds.
Of course we'll never really know how Jonas would have raced with perfect prep. I'm just basing my opinion on how I perceived Pog's shape this year. He was leaner than ever and was a better descender, and was never fazed by the heat or altitude. Those were all said to be weaknesses vs. Jonas in the past two years.

But agree 💯 % that we need them both healthy next year.