Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 4: Pinerolo > Valloire, 139.6 km

[Lorzenz08]

the problem is that UAE can more or less dictate where the cabinet shall stay, as they have like 5 riders that all seem to be over Visma's second strongest rider.
If VIngegaard gonna be this alone on mountain stages, against a handful of UAE... that is serious uphill for Vingegaard trying to wear Pogacar.

Agreed, this year is when Vingo would have needed a top Kuss, and he's not there.

 

[RobertCrawley]

 

[SHAD0W93]

Pog should be furious. Could have done more damage if it wasn't for Ayuso being frauds.

All on Ayuso.

 

[ppanther92]

The French...

20. G.Martin +4:01
43. R. Bardet +9:53

FDJ not at the finish yet.

 

[Warhawk]

Kuss did have a fantastic habit of being there when needed though...

but with Jorgenson and Kelderman already having wounds to lick, and van Aert not in previous years shape seemingly?

Does not look anything like the help Vingegaard got the last 2 years.

I don't disagree, but we've got like a week of screwing around on flat roads before we do anything like this again, so a lot of people could be feeling a lot different by then.

 

[slim charles]

I'm astounded at the tour over comments. Almost all that time was taken on the descent, and it's week one.

Beautiful to watch. Going to be a great tour I think

I mean, I feel like some people said the tour was over and Vingegaard is a certain winner 2 days ago when Pogacar didn't beat him so, I would not necessarily take those comments seriously.

 

[RobertCrawley]

I'm astounded at the tour over comments. Almost all that time was taken on the descent, and it's week one.

Beautiful to watch. Going to be a great tour I think

These are similar to rhe comments that Tadej had won rhe race last year when he won seconds from Jonas in early stages. But I think this year is different. Jonas is not 100 percent, and it showed today.

 

[Samamba]

The French...

20. G.Martin +4:01
43. R. Bardet +9:53

FDJ not at the finish yet.

Bardet obviously just let go completely when he realized he couldn't play GC. Smart play.

Martin is just his level honestly what do you expect.

Martinez shouldn't have been here and Gaudu was in the break.

I don't think the French are complaining with 2 stage wins and a day in yellow already

 

[SHAD0W93]

You pace until you drop. Like Yates.

Then who’s going to pace if Almeida dropped?

 

[scribers]

I dont think the Tour is over but Visma team are poor ...Vinge could have done with someone over that climb

I think they shouldn't panic though


I thought Remco did very well but needs to do some descending practice

Good that he and Landa were there to the top of the climb ...all still to fight for for them

Roglis looked poor on the ascent though

Rodriquez looked good and a very good descender

Remco lost about 15-20 based on descending alone. Otherwise he was possibly faster than pogi on straights

 

[TrekCyclist]

will be very interesing to see how the form of Vingo and Pogi develops towards the third week. i would say, any scenario sounds possible by now.

 

[Rackham]

That gap for Pogacar looks really big and will probably be quite a bit bigger after the TT. But honestly, since the next high mountain stage happens 11 days from now, we have no idea what the balance of power will be then. The only thing we know now is that once the peloton hits the pyrenees, it's Visma that needs to attack and not UAE.

There are 8 riders on a different planet versus the rest of the peloton.

The big question is what their respective form curve is going to be. Things could change quite dramatically in the third week.

UAE did what I expected them to on the Galibier (& I'd have done the same), but Vingegaard isn't out of this. I'd say the others aren't either. It wasn't Grand-Bornand 2021, that's for sure.

The ITT's are going to be very important.

 

[Peyroteo94]

But there was a headwind.

...oh....wait...

One has to think what Pogacar would have done in a tailwind...

 

[Penninepeddler]

Then who’s going to pace if Almeida dropped?

Pogacar, clearly, for team leader Ayuso...

 

[ppanther92]

On a more random note - Mühlberger is such a strange rider. Good enough climber to do top 20-30 at his days at the Tour from the Peloton (19th today, but more results like this in the past), yet almost no climbing wins in his career (Sibiu Tour probably the most relevant).

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

GC for the 26 best/most important riders

1	2	▲1	POGAČAR Tadej	UAE Team Emirates	25	18″	19:06:38
2	3	▲1	EVENEPOEL Remco	Soudal Quick-Step		8″	0:45
3	4	▲1	VINGEGAARD Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike		5″	0:50
4	19	▲15	AYUSO Juan	UAE Team Emirates		4″	1:10
5	17	▲12	ROGLIČ Primož	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe			1:14
6	11	▲5	RODRÍGUEZ Carlos	INEOS Grenadiers			1:16
7	20	▲13	LANDA Mikel	Soudal Quick-Step			1:32
8	21	▲13	ALMEIDA João	UAE Team Emirates			,,
9	14	▲5	CICCONE Giulio	Lidl - Trek			3:20
10	8	▼2	BERNAL Egan	INEOS Grenadiers			3:21
11	13	▲2	JORGENSON Matteo	Team Visma | Lease a Bike			,,
12	18	▲6	GALL Felix	Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale Team			,,
13	22	▲9	YATES Adam	UAE Team Emirates			,,
14	10	▼4	VLASOV Aleksandr	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe			3:44
15	25	▲10	BUITRAGO Santiago	Bahrain - Victorious			4:10
16	6	▼10	BILBAO Pello	Bahrain - Victorious			4:40
17	7	▼10	MARTIN Guillaume	Cofidis			,,
18	9	▼9	HINDLEY Jai	Red Bull - BORA - hansgrohe			,,
19	12	▼7	YATES Simon	Team Jayco AlUla			,,
20	16	▼4	MAS Enric	Movistar Team			,,
21	27	▲6	GEE Derek	Israel - Premier Tech			4:47
22	1	▼21	CARAPAZ Richard	EF Education - EasyPost			5:28
23	24	▲1	DE PLUS Laurens	INEOS Grenadiers			5:30
24	26	▲2	CRAS Steff	TotalEnergies			,,
25	28	▲3	HAIG Jack	Bahrain - Victorious			5:41
26	31	▲5	VAN WILDER Ilan	Soudal Quick-Step			,,

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Hindley was dropped early as was Vlasov ....Roglic was also alone

 

[46&twoWheels]

The French...

20. G.Martin +4:01
43. R. Bardet +9:53

FDJ not at the finish yet.

tour de france on french soil is kryptonite for french riders

 

[yaco]

He’s the world champion and the team leader as well as leadout man. He probably has freedom to do whatever he wants. Plus didn’t Jasper crash yesterday and who knows what kind of shape he is in.

I disagree. The move makes no sense at all. MVDP is at the TDF for two reasons. To win a stage or two himself and help Philipsen win stages.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Congrats to Teddy on a great win! He gained a lot of precious time over his rivals today (45-50' bonis included).

Galibier was a demonstration of power by UAE but Almeida gesticulating at Ayuso for not working and both taking turns at the front was comical! Pogacar attacked late by it was very powerful. He easily dropped other guys except Vingo, who matched him initially but paid for this effort soon. The descent was even more telling: on the steep part the gap between them was steady around 10-15' but later on the shallower part Vingo started losing more, clearly missing some power. Evenepoel strong uphill but was overtaken on the steeper part. Rogla, Rodriguez, Landa and two UAE guys are still in contention for the podium.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Remco lost about 15-20 based on descending alone. Otherwise he was possibly faster than pogi on straights

well he was nearer to Pog at the top than at the bottom which means practice needed imo

 

[yaco]

Hindley was dropped early as was Vlasov ....Roglic was also alone

My understanding is that Hindley prepared as a domestic, although, I think he under-cooked his preparation.

 

[Peter von]

Game on!

For the excitement of it all I really hope Vingegaard came in undercooked for the Tour and is on the attack in third week.

 

[houtdffan]

This is a tour that needs 2 55km ITTs

We'd have an epic battle between Remco and Pog. Pog having the advantage on the climbs (and descents), Remco in the TT

 

[Brullnux]

Being serious, that was an incredibly exhilarating descent. Haven't seen something like that in a while!