Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 7: Nuits-Saint-Georges > Gevrey-Chambertin, 25.3 km (ITT)

[movingtarget]

Still remember Monte Crostis, they only didn't race it because of WW. But of we take a close toclook to the descent, oh my lord, someone was going to die! And thr organization still put some nets to "protect" riders... but that descent was dangerous as hell.

When they have to put netting up you can assume it's dangerous...........

 

[movingtarget]

I think Remco, Pog and Roglič will do what's expected of them. The biggest question mark for me is Vingegaard. He lost a lot of time to Pog on a flattish descent where he needed to push a lot of power. He couldn't even hold on to Remco and Roglič in the finish and lost 2s on them. It will be interesting if that was due to not having energy or maybe his power output is not there yet. If that's the case he can lose a lot of time today. Still I don't expect it. I think Remco wins by at least 20 seconds on his rivals. Pogačar and Roglič should be close, same for Jonas. Another battle to look out for is Almeida vs Ayuso. I can see Almeida gaining time on the young Juan.

Just a as many question marks about Roglic based on what I have seen so far. Pretty mediocre TT course so he has no excuse to lose much time unless his form is as bad as it has looked so far plus more. Remco for the win but not by much.

 

[sam6]

And Evenepoel beat Pogacar in that same WCC ITT by over 3 minutes.

Pogi wasn't targeting that ITT, Evenepoel was

We've seen Evenepoel in the Dauphiné. He comfortably beat everyone in the TT. And then we saw him struggle in the mountains, getting his ass handed to him by worldbeaters like Jorgenson and Gee. Meaning he was not even close to his best and it wasn't just his weight that was off (the last MTF he was a lot better than the first MTF, both followed after the TT and he sure as f* didn't lose his 2.5kg in those 2 days). So far this week he has looked like the best version of himself and i think he will be 2 levels above his Dauphiné TT. If Pog can beat him, then he needs to start taking the WCC ITT seriously because then he can win that as well.

Pogi wasn't in the Dauphine. Evenepoel was specifically targeting the ITT rather than GC, as he knew he wasn't going to win GC

You say shorter TT's favor Pogacar, but he lost the shorter flatter TT in the Giro to Ganna by half a minute, it was the longer one he won. Evenepoel crushed Ganna in the 19k opening TT in last year's Giro by 22s if you are eager to look for references

Pogi is better at shorter TTs relative to Evenepoel, not relative to Ganna who is world record holder over 4km. Also, the second ITT was completely flat which also favours Ganna

 

[Miha81]

I expect Pog vs Remco and then the rest of the field in terms of GC. But I would not be very surprised if Rogla or Vinge are competitive.

 

[glassmoon]

Pog
Remco @10s (will lose time on the climb and descent)
Rogla @30s
Vingo @30-40s

 

[Berniece]

Pogi wasn't targeting that ITT, Evenepoel was

Pogi wasn't in the Dauphine. Evenepoel was specifically targeting the ITT rather than GC, as he knew he wasn't going to win GC

Pogi is better at shorter TTs relative to Evenepoel, not relative to Ganna who is world record holder over 4km. Also, the second ITT was completely flat which also favours Ganna

We'll find out in a couple of hours, I think you are going to be dissapointed. Score will become 6-0 after this race.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remco is unbeatable if he is in a good mood for this TT.

 

[staubsauger]

Evenepoel or Ayuso if he's in shape!

Unless Pogačar or Vingegaard are flying!

 

[tobydawq]

Still remember Monte Crostis, they only didn't race it because of WW. But of we take a close toclook to the descent, oh my lord, someone was going to die! And thr organization still put some nets to "protect" riders... but that descent was dangerous as hell.

Wasn't it the year before Weylandt's death?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Wasn't it the year before Weylandt's death?

No, it was in 2011. They were supposed to ride Crostis-Zoncolan combo.

 

[tobydawq]

No, it was in 2011. They were supposed to ride Crostis-Zoncolan combo.

You're right, sorry.

They did also ride Monte Zoncolan in 2010, that's probably why I got it mixed up.

 

[topcat]

Who is going to cope best with the altitude on the climb in the middle of the tt?

 

[tobydawq]

Who is going to cope best with the altitude on the climb in the middle of the tt?

Carapaz or Bernal.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You're right, sorry.

They did also ride Monte Zoncolan in 2010, that's probably why I got it mixed up.

People who don't know Crostis, this climb is harder than Zoncolan (despite being more shallow, his lenght is bigger) and no one was talking about the climb but rather the descent. Nibali was preparing a kamikaze attack to reduce the gap to Contador and probably someone would get hurt big time.

 

[houtdffan]

People who don't know Crostis, this climb is harder than Zoncolan (despite being more shallow, his lenght is bigger) and no one was talking about the climb but rather the descent. Nibali was preparing a kamikaze attack to reduce the gap to Contador and probably someone would get hurt big time.

There was also an 8km gravel section after the summit before the downhill

I suspect that is why Contador did not want to do Crostis. He wasn't very good on gravel

 

[rallybanana]

Still remember Monte Crostis, they only didn't race it because of WW. But of we take a close toclook to the descent, oh my lord, someone was going to die! And thr organization still put some nets to "protect" riders... but that descent was dangerous as hell.

Google street view data for the climb is from July 2011. So you can go onto Google maps and view the descent with the nets still in place.

 

[sam6]

Everyone said Pogi would lose the stage 7 Giro ITT to Ganna, but he didn't. Similarly, Pogi will surprise people yet again today

 

[RobertCrawley]

Good morning!

Armstrong and Hincapie were discussing something interesting on their podcast. They said that Tadej must use the organizer's skinsuit in yellow for the ITT. According to some calculations, that means a loss of 1 second per kilometer, or 26 seconds.

 

[Netserk]

10 names for the top-10:

Pogi
Evenepoel
Rogla
Ayuso
Van Aert
Vingegaard
Jorgenson
Küng
Gee
Thomas

Dark Horse: Pedersen

 

[ontheroad]

Remco
Pogacar @ 10 secs
Roglic @ 40 secs
Ayuso @ 40 secs
Vingo @ 50 secs
Almeida @ 1 min

 

[ontheroad]

Good morning!

Armstrong and Hincapie were discussing something interesting on their podcast. They said that Tadej must use the organizer's skinsuit in yellow for the ITT. According to some calculations, that means a loss of 1 second per kilometer, or 26 seconds.

It must have been an awful drag on Vingegaard during last years TT!!

 

[Froome]

Good morning!

Armstrong and Hincapie were discussing something interesting on their podcast. They said that Tadej must use the organizer's skinsuit in yellow for the ITT. According to some calculations, that means a loss of 1 second per kilometer, or 26 seconds.

Are you telling me Vingegaard could had won last year with a gap of 2 minutes instead of 1 min and 37 s?

 

[dazaau]

Good morning!

Armstrong and Hincapie were discussing something interesting on their podcast. They said that Tadej must use the organizer's skinsuit in yellow for the ITT. According to some calculations, that means a loss of 1 second per kilometer, or 26 seconds.

Or they have a custom made printed copy 😉

 

[topcat]

I'm worried one of the gc guys will crash.

 

[RobertCrawley]

Tadej lost time last year on the ITT because he didn't attack the corners and execute a well-planned race. He lost 12 seconds in the first few turns. Of course, he'll remember that. He'll be a lot better this year.

Remco is the world champion, but he's a lot lighter now in weight. It will be interesting to see if that loss of weight will make a difference in his final time.