Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 9: Troyes > Troyes, 199.0 km

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I got carried away ofcourse i respect him. I just love racing and attacking and I personally couldnt understand why when he had 2v1 with Jorgenson there at the end why that did not make sense to ride. Even if Vingegaard was tired and couldnt let jorgenson go around and tire out Pogacar more in the process cause he would go around with jorgenson alone and gain time on others win win, no? I respect him how can i now i just got carried away and didnt like that type of racing sorry. Same would applie if it was anyone else nothing to do with him. But yeah heath of the moment thing and would it be Pogacar I would fume at him or Evenpoel too it was just wierd to watch nothing else

But im not gonne *** more about that its done guess its just cause i wanted him to ride away there if you get me.
I love real racing as well, but with the build-up Vingegaard has had, I completely understand the reasoning behind the lack of cooperation. In another World it would have been a pretty sight to see them ride off in collaboration, but I think it was the brainy thing to do today:)
 
It would be epic and thats the only reason why i reacted cause I wanted it badly. As much for Vingegaard if not more for Vingegaard than Pogacar. It would be EPIC and thats the only reason. Oh well shame nothing to do.
People think I hate on him cause of it when its actually far from it. Agree with what you type though

It would have been epic... if it had worked.
If it hadn't, and he'd lost time, it would have been epic...
ally stupid.
 
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Couldn't the same be said of literally every other attack in the history of cycling? If everybody approached the sport with the same mindset, reductio ad absurdum leaves us with Mark Cavendish winning GT GCs.

In this case, the odds of the latter happening was probably more likely.
Better to try and be epic in races where it has bigger chance at working.
 
In this case, the odds of the latter happening was probably more likely.
Better to try and be epic in races where it has bigger chance at working.
You really think so? I don't think asking Jorgenson to do a few turns at 12k from home to gain a bit of time on Evenepoel and the rest is more likely to result in him losing time than gaining it, in all honesty.

I get not working when the two made their initial move at 70km out, for sure (although even then I think doing a couple of half-assed or sandbagged turns to make them think you're collaborating and waste more energy might have worked or at least been beneficial to stop them from being stronger alter, but if he wasn't confident about leaving domestiques behind that far out I get it), but when you have the numerical advantage with 12km remaining and you're saying "I can't possibly ask my domestique to take a couple of turns", that's just way too negative an outlook for me. When are you meant to use your domestiques if not in the finale, in order to gain time on rivals?

Vingegaard was supposed to be a change of pace from the miserably defensive racing the team did at the Tour in support of Roglič, but the team car is showing that, in fact, the problem was never Rogla (and no, it was never Kuss either, although he served as the living embodiment of it). It's Maassen.
 
Awesome stage just finished watching it. Remco is making a show this Tour and its beatiful to watch along with the usuall director Teddy.
Not gonne comment on Vingegaard as the racing speaks for itself and I imagine people have said their part already. Imagine having to make excuses to cheer for someone that just seems yeah.

Brilliant racing may it continue well deserved rest day for the lads. Have a blast people summer is crappy weather but no reason not to go banans. Chapeau
 
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In this case, the odds of the latter happening was probably more likely.
Better to try and be epic in races where it has bigger chance at working.
I tend to agree with this, for today's stage, though others have made some great and contrasting points. When I think of how Vingo looked getting carted off into the ambulance in the spring, it seems remarkable that he's competing at this level right now. Today was not a day to put maximum risk/reward to the test. ... It was a good day to stay upright and not lose time.
 
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IMHO you need to separate the 2 incidents when Vingegaard refused to pull.

When he was with Pogačar & Evenepoel, not contributing was the only wise decision. Given he still had good team support behind and Friday's TT revealed that Vingegaard still has problems with intensity over a longer distance / period.

When Vingegaard & Pogačar were with Jorgensen it was a mistake to not let his teammate contribute. Because he could've gained significant time on Evenepoel, Roglic & Ayuso. But we don't know how spend Vingegaard actually was at that point of the stage.


If Vingegaard has a bad day and loses precious time in the Pyrenees & Alpes, because his lack of depth in shape shows, then he might regret not gaining a little time here. Maybe not riding himself blue here but staying calm actually helps him to prevent cracking later on?

Time will tell
 
I think we're seeing classic Vingegaard racing. Stay in Pogacar's wheel throughout most of the race, then ride a couple of super mountain stages + a super time trial towards the end of the race and win. Wouldn't be surprised if he repeats that pattern this year despite the crash in April.
 
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This was a fantastic stage, very entertaining. Just watched highlights again. Can't believe I was skeptical about it, what an idiot.

I get why riders may not like it but don't understand how can someone watching not enjoy it, this was a spectacle. Even without any of the favorites gaining any time.
I was skeptical as well, but was a great stage even if like you say there was no big GC movement. In fairness I would take any stage that reduces the number of sprint stages.
 
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IMHO you need to separate the 2 incidents when Vingegaard refused to pull.

When he was with Pogačar & Evenepoel, not contributing was the only wise decision. Given he still had good team support behind and Friday's TT revealed that Vingegaard still has problems with intensity over a longer distance / period.
He was four seconds from finishing third!
 
not sure if this is real quote or not, or if it even applies to today, but it seems to be doing the rounds tonight that apparently Remco Evenepoel is quoted as saying "Sometimes you also need the b****s to race. And unfortunately Vingegaard didn't have them today."
 
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I love real racing as well, but with the build-up Vingegaard has had, I completely understand the reasoning behind the lack of cooperation. In another World it would have been a pretty sight to see them ride off in collaboration, but I think it was the brainy thing to do today:)
Yeah, it’s possible that Visma decided (which we aren’t privy to) before the Tour started that they had a chance to win with Jonas even not at 100%, BUT to do that couldn’t afford to control the whole race like last year or cover every move. I can imagine they would decide “we can’t do everything we might like, so let’s focus on beating Pogacar and if someone else beats us so be it.”
 
Its all over social media and I even saw tv experts, legends saying the same and call him wheeelsxxx. Its a reason I so baddly wanted him to just go with them even tho i understand that part wasnt smart for him with the long range attack I do but the last one alone with Jorgenson so close to the finish, I wanted it so badly:unamused:...Woulda been epic.

Maybe he was instructed to ride that defensively so that Plugge can now say that gravel stages don't make any selection, so why bother?

In the last situation it was getting pathetic that he and Jorgenson didn't ride.
 
not sure if this is real quote or not, or if it even applies to today, but it seems to be doing the rounds tonight that apparently Remco Evenepoel is quoted as saying "Sometimes you also need the b****s to race. And unfortunately Vingegaard didn't have them today."
I watched/heard that interview—he definitely said the 1st part but pretty sure he didn’t say the second (“Vingegaard didn’t have them“). The latter I suppose was implied but he was careful to say several times “I understand that it’s strategy.” He did say “Pogi and I like to attack from a long ways out” and (my paraphrase) “too bad that didn’t work out.”