Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 9: Troyes > Troyes, 199.0 km

[Froome]

Pogacar- wheelsucking during all the stage of Tourmalet/ Cambasque. "Genius, what a attack, great job!".

Vingegaard- Pneumotorax in April, multiple ribs broken, collarbone, not doing a the perfect preparation, gravel stage who doesn't suit him that well, puncture and not riding in his own bike. "Wheelsucker, this guy is a disgrace!"


Fortunately Visma and Vingegaard don't care about to please Emirates and Pogacar fans. They have a plan, and they know what they are doing. Make not mistake about it, in they're plan, there will be 2/3 stages where Vingegaard will do what he have to do to win the Tour.

You don't win the Tour riding on emotions, but i've got to admit, i loved the despair today in taking more time on Vingegaard on this stage, because there's a deep inside fair of what could happen in the last week in the mountains.

 

[Stubb]

Unironically one of the best Tour stages of the last 10 years.

Stage 5 2014; just rain was missing today and we'd be there.

 

[dgodave]

That was some pretty exciting bike racing.

 

[Blobs]

Vingegaard had a domestique who could take turns on his behalf, and so needn't contribute himself, enabling him to extract more benefit for the same effort expended.

I can't believe you don't understand this. I may have overestimated you.

They needed him to conserve energy so he could help close the gap when Pogacar attacks.

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[Libertine Seguros]

Gaining time on Remco though, not Pogacar and increasing the chance you lose time to Pog by tiring out Jorgensen.

At what point does using domestiques to, you know, do a domestiques' job actually become "not too early" then? Cos there was less than 20km remaining.

I know this is a team that used to like to ride to the top of MTFs in formation with at least three riders in reserve to scare others off from attacking, but it is possible to use your domestiques for positive gain rather than just to stop others from racing, you know?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Guys with zero chance of winning the sprint, like Healy, working for the other guys, it remains one of cycling's marvelous mysteries. Then Lutsenko goes all out to reel back Stuyven, to be dead in the sprint. Gotta love it, lol.

 

[will-10]

DSM, Arkea, Intermarche, Astana, Jayco and Total Energies all on the board so far, crazy.

big fan of the 2024 Tour de French GarbageTeams, can we get Credit Agricole or Jean Delatour back to take a stage win

My money is on RAGT Semences for a stage win in the 3rd week at this rate

 

[Libertine Seguros]

They needed him to conserve energy so he could help close the gap when Pogacar attacks.
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No, we just remember what used to happen when 15km from home wasn't considered too early to expend a domestique.

Edit: 15km from home in a flat stage. Obviously 15km from home on an HC MTF is a different story.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Derek Gee into 9th?

Yep, the bonus seconds put him 1 second over Jorgenson.

 

[JosefK]

Who would have thought that there would be no GC time/position changes among the top guys after this stage?

 

[movingtarget]

Entertaining stage. Good sprint win by Turgis. Roglic didn't seem to enjoy that much. Vlasov even less so. The final attack, by Stuyven almost worked.

 

[tobydawq]

Few attacks that failed cause gravel isn't that hard and a breakaway winning and people calling it the stage of the decade.

Lol.

Why are you even watching cycling?

 

[RobertCrawley]

Matteo Jorgenson says that Jonas rode Tratnik's bike, not a Jonas backup bike. Matteo also said the day was good, but he preferred not to add so much luck into the race.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Who would have thought that there would be no GC time/position changes among the top guys after this stage?

Grischa Niermann.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Team with most saves from disaster = Visma? (1) Tratnik's bike for Vingo. (2) Jorgenson bringing Vingo back on Pog's last hard attack.

Red Bull - every time Roglic got dropped (I think 5)

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Wow, it was more interesting than I thought! We had GC action, which actually wasn't caused by crashes, punctures etc. Pogacar's attacks and Remco's attack lightened up the stage. Vingo defended himself well, also helped by Jorgenson and Laporte during one Pog's attack (it was crucial help, methinks). Rogla was just hanging on there...barely. He dodged a bullet today: decisions taken by his rivals' teams (UAE regarding waiting for Ayuso, JV regarding lack of cooperation) saved him from losses today.

 

[solo80k]

Very nice stage but no GC gaps in the end. Pogacar tried a few times, Remco also had a gap. In the end Jonas was able to keep on Pog's wheel almost all the time and Jorgensen was able to close the only one section when Jonas was in small troubles.

 

[dazaau]

Jonas owes Matteo a beer. What a signing he turned out to be for a year such as this

 

[Escarabajo]

That was a lot of fun.

Turgis needs to buy Gee and Healy a beer.

Two guys with the least chance to win from a sprint and they got the group back. Both very likeable riders.

And Lutsenko a big Christmas gift!

 

[Nerlo]

Vingegaard has no charisma off or on the bike. It’s a shame, cause this stage would be a lot better without him in the race

 

[Blobs]

No, we just remember what used to happen when 15km from home wasn't considered too early to expend a domestique.

Edit: 15km from home in a flat stage. Obviously 15km from home on an HC MTF is a different story.

It was too early because there was a gravel section left, where Pogacar would definitely attack

 

[RobertCrawley]

A face full of dust and a win for Anthony Turgis!

 

[Stelvio]

Stage 5 2014; just rain was missing today and we'd be there.

That was on July 9, 2014, so you snuck it in with a couple of days to spare But yes, that was a good one.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Grischa Niermann.

Grischa Niermann ;D :;D:

 

[titan31]

At what point does using domestiques to, you know, do a domestiques' job actually become "not too early" then? Cos there was less than 20km remaining.

I know this is a team that used to like to ride to the top of MTFs in formation with at least three riders in reserve to scare others off from attacking, but it is possible to use your domestiques for positive gain rather than just to stop others from racing, you know?

Depends on who you think your competition is. Their biggest competition is Pog. The others are guys you'd expect if Vingegaard is fully healthy and ok, he takes minutes on in the mountains anyway. I would not care if I gain time on Remco, Roglic, CRod etc as I don't consider them a threat. I care about not losing time to Pog so not working with him on a stage like this that favours him massively is smart.

Considering the stage, working with Pog increases chances of Jorgensen getting tired but also because or the gravel, any mechanical incident is increased and you're distancing your other teammates so you could lose a ton to Pogacar if something goes wrong there.

There's minor benefits here but too high of a risk that you end up losing time to your main threat.